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Old 03-25-2011, 07:03 PM
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I'm experimenting with trying to build the most intuitive, stupid-proof tool / weapon possible, and would like to use a simple, rugged red-dot sight on a single-barrel shotgun.

Does anyone have any experience with this combo? If so, can you recommend a brand or model? I'd really appreciate it if you could share any lessons learned. Maybe this is a bad idea? Suggestions?

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why? in all seriousness, unless you are using it to hunt gobblers/deer/pig, i really don't see the need..jus sayin boss...

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We had a red dot AimPoint on a Remgton 870 for turkey and it worked okay I suppose, but personally preferred not to have it. Tried it with the "tacti-kool" 870 setup and I didn't like that either - ghost ring sights were much better in my opinion.

A red dot scope on a single barrel though? I'm assuming you mean single shot too, so I have to agree with the previous poster....why would you want to???
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I have been considering this for my Mossberg. Some of us shoot slugs. I haven't used slugs for deer hunting yet, but I have heard of people getting good results. I dunno, I'm partial to the rib sight.
I was thinking about getting those little "fiber optic" sights. They look like they would fit great on my rib, but a red dot would be my second option. If you end up doing it, let me know. I would like to see the results.
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I dont see why you would need one anyway. A shotgun is a pretty stupid proof gun. I shoot perfectly well with my bead sight.
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Well, lets see...this would primarily be a tool / weapon for lightly trained newbies to use. Sorry; guess I should have said that up front, along with single shot, H&R Pardner. But I don't know...maybe I'm looking for a high-tech solution to a non-existing problem. The ghost ring, fiber optic, and rib sound good, too.

What I was thinking is that a red dot might be a real quick reaction method of "aiming", but aren't you supposed to "index" a shotgun, with the bead as a reference, instead? That seems like a learned skill.

Overall, what I'm wondering is what could be more simple to pick up and apply under stress than "put the light on what you want to kill and squeeze the trigger"?

Thanks to everyone for helping me figure this out, though, and hello from Anderson Creek / Bunnlevel, NC.
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I've got a red-dot on a .22 for night time predator control. Works good. I was planning to put one on a 12 ga. for the same purpose. I'm not sure the cheap red dots will take the recoil of a 12 ga. Fiber optic front sight would probably work better.
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Found this: http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...3Bcat105574680

Looks like a good fix. Thanks again, and Cheers Y'all
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Found this: http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shoot...3Bcat105574680

Looks like a good fix. Thanks again, and Cheers Y'all

That should do the job for you just fine. I know some LEOs that like the Aimpoint on their tactical shotguns, but I just don't. I do like the Aimpoint on the AR though, but for shotguns it just doesn't do it for me. The cost for one though, for your purposes is much more than the shotgun you intend to put it on. The Turkey Buster you found should be a good compromise.
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Just don't get a cheap one, if you go that route. It's sure to get wobbly. Very fast on target though
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Just don't get a cheap one, if you go that route. It's sure to get wobbly. Very fast on target though
You think it would be faster than the rib sight? If so, it would be a great upgrade for duck hunting.
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Follow the K.I.S.S. method (keep it simple soldier), red dot sight on a shotgun probably will not be needed. For defensive use I would suggest the following additions; Recoil Pad, Stock mounted saddle for extra rounds, snap on hi visibility sight mounted at the end of the barrel near the existing bead sight, flashlight, all for interior defense; add a sling if you need to do any outside work involving carrying the weapon for an extended period of time.
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OK, so here's what I've got so far:

H&R Pardner 20 gauge with a Choate replacement stock and forearm ("Store Arm"), Wal-Mart sling and butt cuff, and a HiViz light pipe clip-on front site, all for about $200, which isn't really that much if you spread it all out over about 4 months.

Good ammo is a little harder to find than 12 gauge, but the inexpensive, low-base 7 1/2 shot value-pack stuff seems to work just fine for critters and targets around the farm. Got some buckshot and slugs, too. One thing, though - if, for some ungodly reason, you should ever have a notion to touch off a 3" magnum super-duper duck slayer #2 steel shot shell in one of these, make sure that your cheek isn't in contact with the stock, or you might bite through your lip, or something. ( Y'know. Just sayin...)

The rear fiber optic ghost ring may have to wait though, because I'll have to pay a good gunsmith to drill and tap for mounts. Not gonna mess it up trying to do it myself now that this has all come together so well.

Thanks again to everyone for the information and ideas!
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Red dots are definitely not stupid proof. They make em even stupider. You might not have the red dot on when you need it. You might need to use the firearm in a right light area, like the sun infront of you or a bright light soruce, like vehicle headlights.

I have a eotech 512 on a AK. I love it. however, I practice shooting without the red dot turned on, incase stupid meets me.

If using buckshot, no optics are needed what so ever. If you miss at 35 yards, don't blame the gun. Slugs, maybe has some merit. For hunting turkey, no optic is needed at all. A set of rifle sights is all you need. clip on sights work fine.

What you need is a repeat shot. Put you pennies away for a 870 or a 500.
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i would not give noobs a red dot sight. if your handing them a single shot with a bead front sight. instruct them to put the bead on the target and pull the trigger. its really no different than a red dot, just point and click. just a lot cheaper and easier
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How about Reflex sights? They are more open than a scope or Aimpoint type Red Dot systems.

The idea behind using a red dot or reflex sight is to get low light combat capabilities. Also for newbies - it might be easier to hit something they shoot at using a reflex sight compared to lining up the rear and front sights.

Is it durable? Not really, and it needs batteries - hardly end-of-world gear you want to get stuck with. Get good ghost ring sights.

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I sell a 1x45 NcStar Red dot for $45
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OK, so here's what I've got so far:

H&R Pardner 20 gauge with a Choate replacement stock and forearm ("Store Arm"), Wal-Mart sling and butt cuff, and a HiViz light pipe clip-on front site, all for about $200, which isn't really that much if you spread it all out over about 4 months.

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The rear fiber optic ghost ring may have to wait though, because I'll have to pay a good gunsmith to drill and tap for mounts. Not gonna mess it up trying to do it myself now that this has all come together so well.

Thanks again to everyone for the information and ideas!

Looks good Griff!

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I'm experimenting with trying to build the most intuitive, stupid-proof tool / weapon possible, and would like to use a simple, rugged red-dot sight on a single-barrel shotgun.

Does anyone have any experience with this combo? If so, can you recommend a brand or model? I'd really appreciate it if you could share any lessons learned. Maybe this is a bad idea? Suggestions?

Thanks in advance.
If you want simple, don't use something that requires a battery and needs to be turned on. Ghost rings and practice are what I suggest.
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