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Old 02-27-2011, 06:08 PM
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I have come to realize that 7.62x39 is my ideal round, its cheap to plink with and quality ammo can be found, its suitable for southern deer at moderate rages, and there are some great rifles chambered in it.

I'm looking for a semi auto rifle that I can always have with me while working on my tree farm and is capable of hitting critical areas on deer at 200 yards max range, most shots will be between 100-150 yards. The ability to add add a scope or use nice sights would be a plus.

So far I'm looking at the ak, vz58, sks, saiga, or mini 30. Am I missing anything and do any of these sound like a better brush gun than the others? Cheaper is better as this will be carried in the woods and beat up, but will be cleaned regularly.
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I recommend the Saiga I have 2 and love them, you can buy conversion kit to make it like and AK47 for about 110.00 with pistol grip.
Saigas beem selling on ginbroker.com from 300.00 360.00
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My Natasha Fatale with heavy hammer spring and enhanced firing pin eats anything I feed it never skips a beat.



without the detachable scope
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Old 02-27-2011, 07:59 PM
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An AR is going to be out of my pricerange.

Are any of the other rifles inherently more accurate that one another?
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With a Choate scope mount the SKS is very good
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An iron sighted firearm is fine for what your looking for. A more dedicated hunting firearm should have a scope on it. However, if needing something more than hunting, I do like a good field of view from the sight system on the rifle. I would like to see whats around me instead of just what right infront of me.

An iron sighted SKS works fine for me. IF you do not have a dedicated hunting rifle, I would look into that a bit more. For the average shooter 100 yards is just starting to push it with iron sights. 200 yards for the average shooter and iron sights, I would almost say that unethical hunting. Definitely a decent portion of the deer will be fatal wounded and not harvested.

Check your local hunting laws well. Several states do not allow semi-automatic rifle, semi-autos with more than 5 rounds, and some states or parts of the state do not allow centerfire rifles, just shotgun or muzzleloader only.

I do hunt from time to time with my general purpose rifles. However, I do have a dedicated big game hunting rifle. It is setup well for the task at hand, instead of being an adequate for most tasks. One dedicated hunting rifle has a good scope on it. Another dedicated hunting rifle has peep sights on it and it very lightweight, about 6 to 6.5 lbs. Just a pleasure to hold all day long while stalk hunting. This is my foul weather hunting rifle. No need to clean the scope off in the rain. I use this gun for my most successful type of hunting. Sneaking up on deer on foot while they're sleeping. It's real eays to do with fresh snow and when you get some decent winds to keep the deer from moving.

You mentioned inherent accuracy. You mentioned 3 used rifles and one and hald new ones. New VZ58's can be bought, but they're expensive. The mini-30 will be the easiest to scope and it's a new rifle. They'll all good rifles. However, used is a gamble. The easiest way to not gamble it to get he newest rifle. The yugoslavian SKS is about the newested used 7.62x39 you can get. The ones available have been rearsenaled and properly stored for many years before making their way to the US. Also, since their sale in the USA, the days of dirt cheap corrosive ammuniton were over. So most of these guns were not abused, if buying them in the used market. Atlantic firearms and a few other sell unissued rearsenaled yugo SKS. I think they're aksing $310 for them. Probably about $350-360 shipped and transfered to you.

for that same price, you can buy a 336 marlin new. .30-30 is a bit cheaper than the other commerical rounds out there. When a place sells .308 for $18, you can get .30-30 for about $14 or 15. Another option is a 357 mag lever gun. 38 specials can be bought for about $15 for 50 rounds. Just use quality 357 magnums when hunting.
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VZ 58 is more accurate, in general, that most AK's, especially century builds... Its got a milled reciever. BUT it takes VZ58 mags, NOT ak mags. Saigas are good, cheap, accurate. Mini 30s are difficult to find mags for... And not 'very' accurate past a few rounds, the barrel heats up, throwing rounds off...

I'd say a Saiga with scope
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I have an sks but I never seem to get reasonable long rage accuracy out of it. My form is good as I shoot 600 yard with my garand so I always assumed my sks just wasn't very accurate. Is the century vz 2008/58 capable of 200 yard accuracy? I really want to play to the "man with one gun" idea and find something I can shoot regularly for the rest of my life.
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I've had my Yugo for about 7 years,my chinese for about 5 they both are accurate rifles.
My Yugo with Choate mount and 2.5 scope.


10 shot groups I get with my hand loads. Hornady 123 gr. soft points

5 shot groups I get with cast bullets in same rifle.
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One of my sons has a vipper (SP?).
That is the most accurate 7.62x39 simi auto, I've ever shot and that w/the steel case Wolf....Never had a chance to try it beyond 100yards though.
It is on the heavy side, at least to me.
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I own 9 AKs because they are cool and one SKS. The SKS is a neat little inexpensive rifle and accurate out to 200yds. I have put 1000s of rds thr the SKS and never any issures
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I would recommend the Mini 30, though if cheaper is better then the SKS is the way to go...
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You can also get AK's with iron sights to ring true at 600 yards. The guys at warriortalk, have the definitive tests and answers on there site if you would like a AK, but several other platforms already covered are just as good.
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vz58 is the way to go. They are consistently quite accurate in comparison to other commie guns.
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another +1 on the vz58. I just bought 2 of the century for 360 each. jgsales.com. With the folder plus their balanced handling it can't be beat for a brush gun.

mags are only 13 a piece at czechpoint.com.
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For that use, I'd consider the SKS or a Mini-30. Most SKSes are pretty accurate and the Mini is superb.
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I would recommend the Mini 30, though if cheaper is better then the SKS is the way to go...
My mini 30 is accurate, light and has great sights, but it will not shoot the steel cased ammo. I get light primer strikes and about a 50% ftf rate. I did buy a different spring with no success. If you want a cheap gun to shoot the mini 30 can disappoint. My yugo sks is accurate, eats everything but is front heavy due to the grenade launcher and bayonet. The MAK 90 I had couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.
If the min30 would eat the surplus ammo, that would be my choice. If you reload the mini 30 would probably be great.
If someone does own a mini 30 that will shoot the surplus ammo, i hope they chime in. Maybe I just got a bad one.
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You can also get AK's with iron sights to ring true at 600 yards. The guys at warriortalk, have the definitive tests and answers on there site if you would like a AK, but several other platforms already covered are just as good.
Chambered in what 762x51 ? 762x39 at 600yards the bullet drop is around 8 feet.
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For a accurate, hunting bush gun the Mini-30 is by far the best choice. The new 581s are accurate and unbelievably dependable when Ruger mags are used (5rd or 20rd). The Rugers can and will out shoot about any commie gun out. I have yet to out shot by a AK or SKS at the range and I go out of my way to shoot against them.... Just no match really.
But there is a down side and it is the ability to shoot steel cased, berdan primed ammo. Most Mini-30 owners have reported back that they have trouble with light strikes and the inability to shoot the milsurp reliably. I myself have never tried the milsurp ammo because I want accuracy and not cheap fodder.
So if you want the most accurate and equally reliable bush gun go with the American made Mini-30.
If you want something with less accuracy but the ability to shoot cheap milsurp ammo get a commie gun.
BTW, you can find good brass cased, boxer primed ammo for about $9 a box online and Cabelas runs a special every now a again for $6.99 a box. Not to bad for 7.62x39 brass cased stuff and better accuracy. Wichester, Federal, Corbon, and Remmington all make good Hunting ammo
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