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Old 02-18-2011, 12:59 PM
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if your in need of this and are not a doctor, http://www.atlanticmedsupply.com/sho...V+Solut%20ions not cheap, but also not easy to get
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if your in need of this and are not a doctor, http://www.atlanticmedsupply.com/sho...V+Solut%20ions not cheap, but also not easy to get
would people please not use IV fluids if they have no idea what they are for, what they do or have no training in their use. Worst case scenario, you kill the person your trying to help.
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would people please not use IV fluids if they have no idea what they are for, what they do or have no training in their use. Worst case scenario, you kill the person your trying to help.

i guess i should of said for those that are qualified
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i guess i should of said for those that are qualified
Those that are qualified have no problem getting the supplies.
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yup.....

just like antibiotics, if you don't know what you're doing you could kill someone. Instead of a vicious drug reaction you could experience infiltration, hematoma, phlebitis, extravascular drug administration, intraarterial injection or just kill them with an air embolism.
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Those that are qualified have no problem getting the supplies.
Well Not really, I have 9 years of experience as a Combat Medic in the Army National Guard - I have given 100's of IV's, tons of Antibiotics, asthma medicine, treated wounds cause by artillery shells, worked on folks with serious back injuries, shock, head injuries, lightening strikes, and have even done minor surgery and Stitches.

There is no easy place for me (That I have found) to get IV's or other meds that I would love to have if SHTF, now that I have retired from the military
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yup.....

just like antibiotics, if you don't know what you're doing you could kill someone. Instead of a vicious drug reaction you could experience infiltration, hematoma, phlebitis, extravascular drug administration, intraarterial injection or just kill them with an air embolism.
About 200 c.c. of air is required to kill a person by air embolism. I do not know how a person would accidentally inject that much through a syringe or IV.

Even well trained folks will cause a hematoma - It is a pretty minor things when discuss in terms of IV's
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200 cc of air via an IV is REALLY bad news.

Problems in a average sized adult have occurred with a little as 15cc of air injected, as little as 0.5 cc of air in the left anterior descending coronary artery has been shown to lead to ventricular fibrillation .Of course the smaller the person the less air it takes to create a major issue.
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Anyone know of where I can get some empty IV bags and items needed to complete my medical bag? I looking for empty, since I don't want to worry about expiration dates and weight. I want to be able to make my own solution when the time comes, and if necessary reuse it as needed. Can be lifesaving.
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For what it's worth, during WWII coconut milk was used by medics in the Pacific in emergencies as an IV solution.
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You can buy IV solution for cattle pretty easily, but it s not a saline solution, it is for treatment of milk fever. I would give that if was an absolute last resort, but for nothing else. If somebody has to have an IV, then they are in a fragile state to begin with. Don't know what dumping magnesium and calcium in that quantity would do to someone who was going in to shock.
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WOW Youre gonna watch SHOOTER and get your salt/sugar solution and inject another peckerwood with it? I say PREP in advance, get the real deal (saline, dextrose, lactated ringers) and call it good- with the propper IV setup, also in advance; vs. a radiator hose and a turkey baster needle Really. If you are THAT good, and its what we got, I love you!
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I.V. Fluids Drink water Please!! Making your own solution probaly can be done with the result of systemic infections that would kill yeah down the road anyway! In a survivalist mindset I would only use IVs in the case of Hypovolemic shock(Massive blood lose) resulting in the loss of the Radial pulse(wrist). Worry about plugging the holes and Herbal treatments for infection! So get your fluids in advance and use very sparingly and eat right and drink right!! and just to add it would take one hell of a screw up to give someone enough air though an IV to cause cardiac arrest!
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Anyone know of where I can get some empty IV bags and items needed to complete my medical bag? I looking for empty, since I don't want to worry about expiration dates and weight. I want to be able to make my own solution when the time comes, and if necessary reuse it as needed. Can be lifesaving.

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Don't know what dumping magnesium and calcium in that quantity would do to someone who was going in to shock.
Cardiac arrhythmias followed by cardiac arrest.
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Anyone know of where I can get some empty IV bags and items needed to complete my medical bag? I looking for empty, since I don't want to worry about expiration dates and weight. I want to be able to make my own solution when the time comes, and if necessary reuse it as needed. Can be lifesaving.
So your going to carry sterile water for injection, salt, potassium, magnesium and other electrolytes to mix in your empty IV bag ?

I don't see how this would save any weight or make anymore room in your kit.

Not to mention knowing how to mix the above solution properly so as not to cause more harm to yourself or someone unlucky enough to be hurt in your presence.

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**** those are expensive!! You might want to try here first

http://www.mountainside-medical.com/...tion-Products/
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WOW Youre gonna watch SHOOTER and get your salt/sugar solution and inject another peckerwood with it? I say PREP in advance, get the real deal (saline, dextrose, lactated ringers) and call it good- with the propper IV setup, also in advance; vs. a radiator hose and a turkey baster needle Really. If you are THAT good, and its what we got, I love you!
sach: AGREE.

Lots of survivalist mythology here. mostly from Rambo (suturing) and Shooter (field IV).

All of it useless information.

I hope other preps weren't inspired by movies. I know I don't frequent another forum anymore because of the huge amounts of survival BS.

The above quoted post isn't too far off the mark. I would add that dextrose is used primarily for medication mixes and drips and isn't effective for treating hypovolemia and dehydration.

0.9 % sodium chloride solution aka: Normal Saline ("Normal" because it is the same sodium content as your blood) is far better at volume replacement and rehydrating people.

Lactated Ringers (or Ringers Lactate, aka Hartmann's solution) is better for hypovolemia. However, it is rich in potassium and can cause cardiac arrhythmias. Use of more than one liter in a dose requires constant cardiac monitoring and lab work on blood samples to prevent hyperkalemia.

A word of advice. Don't bother with learning anymore about these topics until you have had a basic first aid and CPR class. Be realistic. You weren't qualified to drive an 18 wheeler across the country when you were 16 years old and just testing for your first drivers license, were you ?
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**** those are expensive!! You might want to try here first

http://www.mountainside-medical.com/...tion-Products/

Definitly better supplier here!!
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sach: AGREE.

Lots of survivalist mythology here. mostly from Rambo (suturing) and Shooter (field IV).

All of it useless information.

I hope other preps weren't inspired by movies. I know I don't frequent another forum anymore because of the huge amounts of survival BS.

The above quoted post isn't too far off the mark. I would add that dextrose is used primarily for medication mixes and drips and isn't effective for treating hypovolemia and dehydration.

0.9 % sodium chloride solution aka: Normal Saline ("Normal" because it is the same sodium content as your blood) is far better at volume replacement and rehydrating people.

Lactated Ringers (or Ringers Lactate, aka Hartmann's solution) is better for hypovolemia. However, it is rich in potassium and can cause cardiac arrhythmias. Use of more than one liter in a dose requires constant cardiac monitoring and lab work on blood samples to prevent hyperkalemia.

A word of advice. Don't bother with learning anymore about these topics until you have had a basic first aid and CPR class. Be realistic. You weren't qualified to drive an 18 wheeler across the country when you were 16 years old and just testing for your first drivers license, were you ?
I have used all the IV solutions you have list ,in the field as a medic , in an ambulance, if you have a cardiac pt you use D5w 500ml, I have infused 5 1000 ml bags of Ringers Lactate and have not gotten any cardiac arrymthias.
but several years as a medic you tell you what you use if you would have too.
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