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Old 02-08-2011, 01:27 AM
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About 2 weeks ago, the "Star Advertiser," (Hawai'i's newspaper), came out with an article about a particular method of Natural Farming coming out from South Korea, which is starting to develop in Hawai'i, especially with backyard gardeners and small farmers.

It's incredible stuff. By using Master Farmer Cho's methods, you won't ever have to clean the pig pen or the chicken coop. There will be no flies, no smell, no poop. As a result of this, there's no need for medications/antibiotics and hormones. The secret is growing microbes under the pine shavings.

Master Farmer Cho also teaches how to use mixtures of cooked white rice, brown sugar, leaves, fermenting fruit, and cooked eggshell/vinegar mixtures to create incredible fertilizer for plants. There are also presentations on the recipes used for feeding chickens and other farm animals. They can be seen on YouTube.

Anyway, I'm still trying to get more information myself, but I thought I'd share this information with any fellow members of the Survivalist Forum. I'm hoping they'll have more workshops on O'ahu, since most of them are happening on the Big Island. Being able to grow our own food successfully is a security measure!

Here's different links/articles:

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/2...selection.html (news article)

http://naturalfarminghawaii.net (local website)
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"Natural Farming", sounds similar to permaculture methods, have you ever heard of Bill Mollison? Although the pig part is new to me, are they saying they never remove waste and just keep adding the sawdust mix? That's pretty incredible considering pigs create a lot of manure. Thank you for sharing.
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i posted this afew days ago, neat article though, but i didnt see the local website, thanks
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marketed composting????
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I have blown me cap - shall have to wait till next month to find out what you are on about! keep us posted.
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Here's different links/articles:
Oh yea, you and Chey's Daddy should get together and 'research' this for us.

Please know that American farmers do know what compost and earthworms are.
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Please know that American farmers do know what compost and earthworms are.
then why not use them. why use chemicals derived from petroleum that only have about 17 minerals/vitamins for the soil to uptake
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Read The Contrary Farmer, by Gene Logsdon and his newer one called Holy Sh!!, managing manure to save mankind. Sustainable farming at its finest, and his family has been doing it for generations right in Ohio...
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then why not use them. why use chemicals derived from petroleum that only have about 17 minerals/vitamins for the soil to uptake
I do. I compost as much manure as I can get my hands on.
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=53210

I've already explained the no-till methods I use to ensure a healthy population of earthworms.

I used to buy hog manure for about 100 acres, but it got too expensive to haul when fuel prices went up.

Those who have access to it use it. We all wish we had more of it.
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I do. I compost as much manure as I can get my hands on.
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=53210

I've already explained the no-till methods I use to ensure a healthy population of earthworms.

I used to buy hog manure for about 100 acres, but it got too expensive to haul when fuel prices went up.

Those who have access to it use it. We all wish we had more of it.
Hmmm.. I was under the impression that Hog manure was iffy.. mostly do to the diet of the hog. I thought you were better off to go with manure from cows, horses, chickens, etc?

I will admit that my knowledge on this topic is limited...

I agree wholeheartedly about no till. Any gardening book worth its weight will preach that. Its the reason I use raised beds.
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Hmmm.. I was under the impression that Hog manure was iffy.. mostly do to the diet of the hog. I thought you were better off to go with manure from cows, horses, chickens, etc?

I will admit that my knowledge on this topic is limited...

I agree wholeheartedly about no till. Any gardening book worth its weight will preach that. Its the reason I use raised beds.
If you haven't got it, you won't be doing anything with it.

What I compost in the yard is sheep manure.
Most of my sheep manure is spread on the pasture during the summer by the sheep.
(neat how that works, eh?)
What accumulates in the shed during the winter and lambing season is composted and used on the gardens.

A distant cousin's hog finishing houses are four miles north of my home place and four miles east of the west farm.
For years, I'd purchase pig manure from his pits in the spring and fall
... this is a valuable commodity, someone selling manure knows what it is worth.

I could make it work on corn ground on either place when fuel was $1.50, about half the cost was transportation.
Now that fuel is twice that (and he thinks the manure is worth more due to that) it doesn't work financially.

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I used to grow small grain every year on the west farm. There are two neighbors over there who would be looking for someplace to spread when they were cleaning out their pits/yards in the late summer. As soon as I was done harvesting the small grain, they would be over and ask if it was alright if they spread some manure on my stubble ... of course it was!
Not only was the plant food free, but they hauled it for free as well.
That was a pretty sweet deal.
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I do. I compost as much manure as I can get my hands on.
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=53210

I've already explained the no-till methods I use to ensure a healthy population of earthworms.

I used to buy hog manure for about 100 acres, but it got too expensive to haul when fuel prices went up.

Those who have access to it use it. We all wish we had more of it.
Too bad we can't use all the politicians supply us with.....
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I guess we need more people willing to raise livestock on a small scale.

The whole 'sustainable' thing falls flat on it's face when it comes time to actually do it.

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You might notice that Korea is not feeding the world.
http://www.grainnet.com/articles/Kor...p_-103759.html
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I guess we need more people willing to raise livestock on a small scale.

The whole 'sustainable' thing falls flat on it's face when it comes time to actually do it.

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You might notice that Korea is not feeding the world.
http://www.grainnet.com/articles/Kor...p_-103759.html
I agree. I would love to raise at least some hens.. but living in the city makes that rather rough. The city is quite clear on where it stands on this topic.
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"Natural Farming", sounds similar to permaculture methods, have you ever heard of Bill Mollison? Although the pig part is new to me, are they saying they never remove waste and just keep adding the sawdust mix? That's pretty incredible considering pigs create a lot of manure. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for your comments. I will keep you posted on this. I plan to listen to the audio for a workshop given by a man who follows Master Farmer Cho's methods - it's 12 hours of audio. Once I listen through all of it, I'll post more on how they use IMO's (Indigenous Micro-Organisms) to breakdown the manure of the pigs, cows, and chickens in their pens/coops without you ever having to clean their living space. My understanding is that the only time you ever need to change the bedding of a pig pen or chicken coop is if you want to use it as compost. Other than that, you won't ever have to change anything for YEARS! The IMO's in the bedding "clean" everything for you.

Thanks also for the suggestion about Bill Mollison - I will research about him and permaculture more. Permaculture and Natural Farming seem very similar.
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Hello, MacMarine -

I'm currently doing fast, but indepth, research about IMO's. Master Farmer Cho's methods are on YouTube and on the local website that I linked, but I need to listen to a 12 hour audio workshop presentation, to learn everything thoroughly. I'm hoping that in this audio, the recipes to generate IMO's will be discussed and made available.

What I have found is this:

Lay cooked white rice in a simple wooden box, covered with a T-shirt. On T-shirt put a layer of dead leaves;
Mixed with brown sugar and stored in a crock;
Further propagated on rice bran or wheat mill run;
Mixed with soil cultured again.

The result is then mixed with compost or added to potting soil or spread on the beds before planting. The process can take about a month to happen.

I'll let you know as soon as I figure it out, unless you find something before me.
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Sigh . . .

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

I'm an American too, but I learn from people of all backgrounds. I think I've just wasted my time responding to this sarcastic comment.
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Sigh . . .

Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed?

I'm an American too, but I learn from people of all backgrounds. I think I've just wasted my time responding to this sarcastic comment.
I apologize for posting such a rude comment on your thread.
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I'll post more on how they use IMO's (Indigenous Micro-Organisms) to breakdown the manure of the pigs, cows, and chickens in their pens/coops without you ever having to clean their living space.
I know that the manure/bedding in my sheep sheds is alive with micro-organisms.
The evidence is the heat they generate.

IMO, it would be impossible to keep that from happening.
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