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Old 12-21-2010, 01:13 PM
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I just noticed my neighboring state has an extra month of hunting, but it's flintlock only. Very tempted to get a flintlock now.

I saw the thompson center firestorm, it has a removable breech and comes in stainless. It looks like the law only states it has to be flintlock and iron sights.

I'm looking at other ones too possibly. I can live with blued steel, but I have to say, a removeable breech plug is a necesity. I want to know it's clean. I don't care If I have to remove the stock or not.
Old 12-21-2010, 01:56 PM
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SH you have some strange ideas.

People have been cleaning ML guns since around 1200ad without removing the breech plugs.

A removable breechplug is not necessary to insure the gun is clean. It makes it easier but is not necessary.
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If you aren't that familiar with Flint rifles you could do a lot worse than the TC Firestorm, but cleaning a "fixed breach" rifle is not that difficult or time consuming.
Stainless does give you a little more margin of error when it comes to cleaning, but still has to be done and done correctly.
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I had a Firestorm for a while. Wasn't overly impressed with it so I gave it to my brother and went back to my trusty 30yr old T/C Hawkin. He wasn't to impressed with it either. It was the first year of production so it may have a few teething problems. You want to clean a fixed breech well? Bucket of hot, soapy (I use dish detergent) water, Sturdy cleaning rod (shotgun type is good) the loop style patch holder and for me a piece of sock. I remove the flash hole plug, stick the barrel in the bucket,wet the patch and go to town. The wet patch acts like a pump drawing water up the barrel. Don't pull the patch all the way out though. Pushing the patch down the now water filled barrel you now have a piston forcing water out the flash hole. Do that a couple of times then rinse with hot water. The now hot barrel will dry quickly and lessen the chance of rust. I then run a patch of T/C bore cleaner down it followed by dry patches till I get no moisture on the patch. This is followed by a patch lubed with T/C Bore Butter. I don't use any type of oil- based products on my flinty. I clean the plug opening with Q-tips then the Bore Butter. Put a dab of Bore Butter on the threads of the flash hole nipple and install. Been doing it this way for years and no problems. Hope this helps a bit. O BTW, This is done indoors for me (I'm single). If you have a S.O. you may want to do the cleaning part outside, unless they don't object to the rottin' egg smell
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I know it can be done without a removable breech. I just like to look down the barrel and see it's done right. I also hate to push a rod from the muzzle end. And you need to use a rod quite a bit with blackpowder. I own a stainless inline. I like the cheap insurance it offers. However, I clean it really good. I also run a bit of hoppes #9 down it and a few dry patches a couple days later and then re-oil the barrel.

I saw the firestorm. Found a place selling a "NIB" one for $465 w/ shipping in stainless steel. How is the breech to remove. Do you need to unbolt the stock? Can I put a hawken's based peep sight on it? This just might be the deal breaker. I want a peep sight on it. PA hunting regs are very unspecific; single projectile, iron sights, flintlock ignition. Also, can I reliably fire the gun with goex 4f in the pan or need to get real blackpowder. I probably would use goex 3f for the gun, I have a good bit for my inline.

One of those dolled up hawkens would be nice, but I am really rough on guns. I like the synthetic stock because I'm not worried about messing up the wood.

I use hot soap and water. I pour as I push a brush down the bore. About 10 passes. Somewhere in between i put a bit of brake cleaner on the breech threads and brush out the lube, to ensure corrosive stuff is not sticking to the lube. Then I dry patch followed by a shot of alohol based brake cleaner down the bore. Then I use either pro-shot cleaner (removes plastic fouling) or just hoppe's #9. Then I store with the breech open to look down the barrel every now and then. I also remove the stock and wipe down all the exterior metal with a wet rag, dry, then oil. When the season is done, I get every nook and cranny in the lock mechanism If I can say that with an inline.
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I know it can be done without a removable breech. I just like to look down the barrel and see it's done right. I also hate to push a rod from the muzzle end. And you need to use a rod quite a bit with blackpowder. I own a stainless inline. I like the cheap insurance it offers. However, I clean it really good. I also run a bit of hoppes #9 down it and a few dry patches a couple days later and then re-oil the barrel.

I saw the firestorm. Found a place selling a "NIB" one for $465 w/ shipping in stainless steel. How is the breech to remove. Do you need to unbolt the stock? Can I put a hawken's based peep sight on it? This just might be the deal breaker. I want a peep sight on it. PA hunting regs are very unspecific; single projectile, iron sights, flintlock ignition. Also, can I reliably fire the gun with goex 4f in the pan or need to get real blackpowder. I probably would use goex 3f for the gun, I have a good bit for my inline.

One of those dolled up hawkens would be nice, but I am really rough on guns. I like the synthetic stock because I'm not worried about messing up the wood.

I use hot soap and water. I pour as I push a brush down the bore. About 10 passes. Somewhere in between i put a bit of brake cleaner on the breech threads and brush out the lube, to ensure corrosive stuff is not sticking to the lube. Then I dry patch followed by a shot of alohol based brake cleaner down the bore. Then I use either pro-shot cleaner (removes plastic fouling) or just hoppe's #9. Then I store with the breech open to look down the barrel every now and then. I also remove the stock and wipe down all the exterior metal with a wet rag, dry, then oil. When the season is done, I get every nook and cranny in the lock mechanism If I can say that with an inline.
Wow. That is some mighty thorough cleaning.

With my BP rifle, I just hit it with some soap and water, dry, then run a patch or two with some oil.

It takes me a few minutes and I have a clean bore and no rust.
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I use hot soap and water on regular guns too. stuff works great. I am always worried about carbon deposits acting like sandpaper when your brush. I just like to wash them out as I clean, and the soap and water does a great job.

I recently found out that ammonia based copper treatments should also be followed by a water wet patch or two. They do produce ammonia based salts.
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Wanna know what I do with my Lyman GP Flinter??..Pull the flash hole, do a couple 3-4 pumps with rod and soapy water, 3-4 dry patches, and put it all back together..Then a pass with whatever oil is near at hand...The gotdamn thing is going to out last me, anyways..

And what the hell does copper have anything to do with BP?

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I use hot soap and water on regular guns too. stuff works great. I am always worried about carbon deposits acting like sandpaper when your brush. I just like to wash them out as I clean, and the soap and water does a great job.

I recently found out that ammonia based copper treatments should also be followed by a water wet patch or two. They do produce ammonia based salts.
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It doesn't. I was mentioning when defoulinf copper deposits from reguler rifles. It does produce corrosive salts, although not severe like BP does.

Thanks for the ino guys. I went with buying a thompson center firestorm in stainless steel.
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