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Old 12-07-2010, 09:08 PM
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I'd rather have a CZ527 in 7.62x39 over a Savage in the same caliber. I own guns made by both and the CZ is a better firearm.

http://cz-usa.com/products/view/cz-527-carbine/
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I bet i could whip up some 7.62x39 handloads that would shoot more accurately than the corrosive combloc crap
W-W, R-P and Federal all make 123gr SP loads that are suitable for goblins and medium game like deer & pigs out to 175-200 yards.

I also bet that if i hit a goblin at 600 yards with a 123gr .311 bullet it would put a hurtin' on him
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F-N is completely correct. To give you guys an idea of just what such a small round can do check out

http://www.6mmbr.com/30BR.html

I have a 15 twist barrel laid in for such a project, don't have the reamer & gages as yet and I have the brass to form it.

The CZ would be an excellent candidate for a 6MM PPC and this round is good for 600.

Palma makes an excellent point too, get the 308. I had a Savage Scout in 7/08 which was very accurate at 600 yards.

Kahn is exactly right. CZ is a excellent rifle. On this combo I think I would get the 5.56 as the 7.62X39 has a .311 bore according to the website and light .311 bullets are not to be had that I know of in the states in hunting bullets or target grade bullets and I sure wouldn't shoot comblock in such a fine little rifle. Then again if I had such a rifle I would stick with cast bullets and make a quiet thumper out of it.

I just checked and Lyman makes/made a 125 gr bullet mold #31356 and another 313260 in 100, 124, 146 gr. mold, which would be good shooter in the little CZ and barrel life would be forever and a day. You could also shoot about any of the lighter .311 bullets as cast.

If the 31356 was not a current production a group buy of 10 molds would probably make them consider pulling out the cherry and making another run. I need to email them and "axe-em".

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Old 12-08-2010, 06:55 AM
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I dunno..$800+ for a 4 round bolt action in an intermediate caliber? Maybe ok for you, me personally, it's tough to justify....
if u already have an ak or sks thats justification enough
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The savage uses the williams peep sight? they are useless, they do not hold zero. The elevation adjustment will come loose on you. IF you tighten it up properly, you'll mar the aluminum dovetail. When you adjust the sight a little bit, it'll just want to go back into the original slot, or come loose on you. I got burnt on this with 3 different williams sights. IF the bottom part of the savage rear sight is aluminum, it's not going to be a reliable sight. Any little bump on that sight, and it will be off. What you'll need to do is to lock in the sight with some loctite or paint. Windage is not a problem, just elevation.

Also, most modern bolt action guns are not designed to reliably fire those hard steel cased 7.62x39 primers. The CZ 527M can. The M is for modifed igntion system.

7.62x39 can't be fired past 200 yards? Yes, a 7.62x39 zero is roughly 200 yards. However, a .308 win zero is not 200 yards, it's about 300 yards. At 600 yard, my guess is your correcting abou 4 feet elevation with the .308. At rough guess that makes the 7.62x39 a 400 yard round. I can shoot 7.62x39 reliably at 300 yards, better than center of mass with peep sights, and much better than that with the scout scope on my SKS. Can't tell you past that, don't have a range available to me that long or a need for it.

There are several good hunting and target FMJ bullets available in .311. Hornady makes several different one, and speer has one or two. Not a huge selection, but enough to find a good shooting one. However, there isn't a good selection in bullet weights. You can use other bullets though, like ones designed for enfields and mosins. There are .311 and .312 bullets. I haven't looked into the heavy ones much though.

I was looking inot getting a bolt action 7.62x39, but my scoped SKS shoots pretty good. Put a leupold M6 scope on the scout mount. They sell an extended rail, so you have enough room to mount the rings forward and behind the scope turrent. I use a yugoslavian SKS, the non-chrome lined barrel is pretty accurate. About 4" groups at 300 yards.
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I like it but I'm thinking a chamber adapter might be more usefull as you can shoot both 308 and 7.62x39 out of one gun! think about it you will never have a hard time finding ammo.

http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm
This is what I would do!
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The 'Scout' rifles have a given role. I think a lot of responses here are valid - if you ignore the role or criteria that Cooper set out. There are of course other calibers and other weapons that will shoot farther, carry better, recoil less, cycle faster, look cooler... but I don't think that's what the Scout stuff is going for. Cooper was looking for some fairly specific things in his design. I don't have his book with me today, but IIRC he was looking for something in the ballpark of .3~ caliber, 7 lbs or less unloaded weight, stripper-clip accessible breach (which brought about the scope placement), long eye-relief scope with 3x or less magnification, sling mounts capable of hanging a CW or ching sling, integral or easily attachable bipod... and some other stuff I can't quite recall. I think he had an overall length limitation, also wanted the rifle to be able to fire from the magazine or single-loaded if slow-fire was being performed. Oh yes, and an oversized bolt-knob so that it could be easily worked with a gloved hand. And an iron-sights setup that could be used instead of the LER scope if required.

After reading some of Cooper's stuff (which I strongly reccommend) I'm interested in getting a rifle that fits the 'Scout' criteria. Mr. Cooper seems to have an excellent understanding of rifles, and the 'authorities' that I know personally speak very highly of him.
I'd probably get it in .308 because I have some other weapons in .308 and I'd want ammo-stocking synergy. For the price, the Savage Scout (which I have been lead to believe is a rework of the model 10) seems to hit a lot of the criteria relatively cheaply. I'm looking at getting one next year possibly. I have had the opportunity to own or shoot some other Savage firearms, and I like their quality. I want to handle a Scout or model 10 first though, before I throw any money at one.
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This is what I would do!
I found this article on them and it sounded like it would work well in my savage 308 so I think I'm gonna buy a chamber adapter to shoot 762x39.
On my 32acp adapter you don't have to use any lock tite, I wonder if I can do the same on the 762x39 adapter.
http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews/...ecat/index.asp
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I think the scout design is not really needed. Carefully select a good lower power scope with a generous eye relief range and spend awhile finding the best distance to set it at. The iron sight is useless on the scout gun. You got the scope to see through. Just get a rifle with iron sights, spend some time using the sight, then put the scope on. Have another rifle with the same style sights and style and practice using the irons. Like a good bolt action 22lr rifle.

I have a .30-30 lever gun with a burris fullfield II. It is fast to mount and the scope picture is right on where I point it right away. A regular savage and a nice scope could be purchased for the price of that rifle alone.
Old 12-16-2010, 06:05 PM
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This is what I would do!
how bout a 7.62x25 out of a x39, they got an adapter?
p.s. god i luv the .30 caliber!!!
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MacAce won't make a 7.62 x 25 adapter for a 30-30. The reply was that it was too thin and would split. I think 30 mauser out of 308 is available though.
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I think that chamber adapters are a great idea, think about it for a minute. If the SHTF and you only have 1 gun you can shoot multiple calibers from it.

As for the 762x25, I have seen them in 30 Mauser so you should be able to find one.

They also makem for 3030, 303, 762x54 and 3006 rifles.
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I have been into utility bolt rifles since I was a teenager. I had a CZ 527 in 762 Russky, which was a cool little popper but not really good for much. I would say the same for the Savage in that cartridge.

One thing I noticed is it's either a misprint all the way around or they have the wrong twist for 762 x 39. 1/10 is for heavy 30 bullets of 173 grain or better. My CZ was 1/12 which is appropriate.
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The savage scout is on my wish list . I don't care about shooting past 200yds .
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If you use the 7.63x39 within its range of capability it should work well. Kinda like the 30-30, its no 30-06 or 7mm Rem Mag, if you use it withing its range........It drops'm with one shot every time. You gotta love it for what it is and not hate it for what its not.

and cheap ammo well thats the make'ns for a good time at the range!

Something else I just thought of. The 7.62 is no power house, it might be a good gun to introduce a wife, child or friend to shooting. And well all know what happens after the get hooked! LOL! .22's and pistil rounds are nice, but a nice bolt action in a 7.62 just might be the ticket, or a transission to something for a newer shooter.
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I had one of the .308 scouts a while back and ended up trading it. Short barrel with too much recoil. Can't really understand the whole scout concept in a bolt action rifle. Most people just say it's because Colonel Cooper says so. Another thing? What did Jeff Cooper do that gives him so much reverence? I have read some of his works. On ething that really irks me is his use of the "we" when describing himself. Seriousley what major military action did he influence? Don't get me wrong, I met him almost 20 years ago in Arizona. He was really polite and everything to everybody, but that was before I read articles by him. I just can't see this whole cult of personality thing.
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I had one of the .308 scouts a while back and ended up trading it. Short barrel with too much recoil. Can't really understand the whole scout concept in a bolt action rifle. Most people just say it's because Colonel Cooper says so. Another thing? What did Jeff Cooper do that gives him so much reverence? I have read some of his works. On ething that really irks me is his use of the "we" when describing himself. Seriousley what major military action did he influence? Don't get me wrong, I met him almost 20 years ago in Arizona. He was really polite and everything to everybody, but that was before I read articles by him. I just can't see this whole cult of personality thing.

I think you're mistaking respect for adoration. I liked reading the man's works, and thought that between his basic instruction and the more opinionated articles he was a solid guy. You're under no obligation to think the same thing - everyone likes different things.

However - I also think that just because you don't see or like what he was going for in the scout configuration doesn't make someone who does a cultist. I hate pump-action shotguns. I have no use for them. This doesn't invalidate their legitimate uses, or the fact that they're very popular. If you don't like the short barrel, light weight or other things that were part of the scout design - more power to you. Hell, I don't even know if I like them - I have yet to shoot one.
The OP asked about a Savage Scout in 7.62x39. The majority of the posts have been about completely different guns, loads, or things.
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It is common here.

Ask someone about something specific and they get to rocking in the chair and tell you about 5 cent candy the origins of black powder.
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Please tell me more of this 5 cent candy.

Well the good thing about the savage scout rifle is that if you dont like a scout scope, you can always mount the scope to the reciever as normal and still have a compact rifle.
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So instead of going with a bolt action rifle in 7.62 X 39, why not just mount a scope on top of an AK type rifle? Same round but you now have the advantage of more ammo and a faster reloading system with the magazines. The 7.62 X 39 round isn't going to break long range shooting distance records. It really wasn't meant to do that. The guy who put the 1,000 and 1,200 marks on the sight of an AK shooting the 7.62 X 39 round was a REAL optimist. But by mounting a scope on an AK you improve its general accuracy and you have a good round with decent penetration and of a medium size diameter too. It is a good round for general use in a hostile and dirty environment.
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