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Old 11-18-2010, 04:19 PM
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Question Which gun to buy: 12ga/.223 over/under - or- 20ga/22mag over/under



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I'm thinking of getting a gun that would be good for any type of hunting or a multi-purpose gun. I went to my local gun shop today and I was immediately struck that they had two combo guns (don't know proper name).

Here is what I currently own: Marlin 70HC 22LR semi auto rifle, Kel-Tec P11 9mm and a K31 Swiss 7.5mm WWII bolt action rifle (rare ammo).

The two guns that are available are:

Savage Model 24 20ga/.22mag $375 used (very good condition - the dealer said the gun is "choked" and that the previous owner probably spent about $100 doing it....?).

Baikal IZH94 12ga / .223 $499 New

I am trying to figure out which to go for. I really like the feel & weight of the Savage but as far as caliber's, I'm with the Baikal. The Baikal is a heavy gun. While it is lighter than carrying 2 guns it would probably be tiring on an extended backpacking trip/bug out trip...

What would be some good scenarios where the 12/.223 would come in handy over the 20/.22mag?

I'm open to all types of thought and opinions here!
Old 11-18-2010, 04:20 PM
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12/223 is my vote. ammo availability is far better
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might want to check an see if eather setup has a easly changed barrel ,,not sure but think the savage has ,an for a bit more u might be able to get another barrel an have all four options
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niether, get a rossi matched set for $199. .22 and pick a shotgun/rifle caliber too.
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Out of those 2, the Savage. The 20 gauge is better (logistically) when bugging out due to the weight and size of the rounds while giving up very little in performance. The .22 magnum is a mid round between the .22lr and .223.

There is nothing that the .223/12 gauge combo can do better than the .22mag/20 gauge cannot do in reality. However, the .22mag can be used on game that the .223 will obliterate and carrying birdshot for the 12 gauge is not really logistically viable.

Get some buckshot and slugs in 20 gauge to cover your needs up to 100 yards and the .22 mag for small to medium game.
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I've only handled a couple of Savage 24s, with both point of aim was drastically different between the rifle and shotgun barrels. No big deal. You can mount a scope for the rifle barrel with enough clearance to use the iron sights for the shotgun.

A Rossi, HR, NEF, or TC combo set would be another way to go. The downside of course is having to change barrels.

The other option would be to get an O/U 12ga (w/ double triggers or select fire) and a full length barrel insert for the rifle caliber of your choice.
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I've got a savage 24 in .410/.22mag. , And it maybe the greatest combo gun ever.


If I ever traded, it would be for a 20guage/.22mag , but I've got to say, the buck I shot last weekend with a .410 3 inch mag shell loaed with 5 00 buck pellets didn't make it 20 feet.

And, I was actually out squirl hunting with the .22mag, but when I saw him, I had to have him!


I say savage 24 all the way!
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I would probably buy both!
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Savage 24 gets my vote
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12/223......I've killed everything with a savage combo. It's a great turkey gun...
I've taken deer, turkey, groundhogs, squirrels, and mud turtles with one I had as a kid. I wish I still had it.
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You can also get the baikel in 30.06...308..and 45-70...so what is the size of game you want to get in your a o ?

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I'm thinking of getting a gun that would be good for any type of hunting or a multi-purpose gun. I went to my local gun shop today and I was immediately struck that they had two combo guns (don't know proper name).

Here is what I currently own: Marlin 70HC 22LR semi auto rifle, Kel-Tec P11 9mm and a K31 Swiss 7.5mm WWII bolt action rifle (rare ammo).

The two guns that are available are:

Savage Model 24 20ga/.22mag $375 used (very good condition - the dealer said the gun is "choked" and that the previous owner probably spent about $100 doing it....?).

Baikal IZH94 12ga / .223 $499 New

I am trying to figure out which to go for. I really like the feel & weight of the Savage but as far as caliber's, I'm with the Baikal. The Baikal is a heavy gun. While it is lighter than carrying 2 guns it would probably be tiring on an extended backpacking trip/bug out trip...

What would be some good scenarios where the 12/.223 would come in handy over the 20/.22mag?

I'm open to all types of thought and opinions here!

Keep looking you can find the Savage Model 24 in many different Caliber/gage configurations. I am sure they once made a 12ga/.308 and a 20ga/.30-30 but they had literally dozens of combinations to choose from.
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Out of those 2, the Savage. The 20 gauge is better (logistically) when bugging out due to the weight and size of the rounds while giving up very little in performance. The .22 magnum is a mid round between the .22lr and .223.

There is nothing that the .223/12 gauge combo can do better than the .22mag/20 gauge cannot do in reality. However, the .22mag can be used on game that the .223 will obliterate and carrying birdshot for the 12 gauge is not really logistically viable.

Get some buckshot and slugs in 20 gauge to cover your needs up to 100 yards and the .22 mag for small to medium game.
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I like the Savage 24s better as a gun but the 12 ga and 223 is a better combo to me
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I have owned a Savage model 24c for many years. This is the model with 20" barrels and a 22lr over a 20g. This has always been my go to gun when I am going into the woods for small game hunting or to just get away from it all. I have always felt comfortable with this gun because I believe it can handle about any situation I come across. Also it says on the barrel not to use a scope when using the shotgun but I have never had a problem with scope bite. When hunting squirrels I use the scope whether I am using the 22 or the 20 and I have never had a problem. It is also nice to know you can drop in a slug or buck shot if the need arises.
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I have had a savage 30/30 over 20 ga and a bakial 22lr/ 410 and both had problems with frequent misfires even after different gunsmiths could not find a cause.

Perhaps ammo sensitive was all the answer I could get.
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I have a savage 24 model V in .30-30/20 gauge.

I would not bug out with it at all. It takes a month to starve. It take 1 second to a day to die from a bullet wound. Get a rifle that will handle the worse of the two scenarios.

As far as hunting goes. It can be good or bad. A decently setup hunting rifle will make a horrible shotgun for moving targets like rabbits or birds. Even with the rear sight flipped down, the savage 24 does not have a good shotgun sighting setup (vented rib or lack of one).

I bought it for seasons like this one. I already got a deer with the bow. Now I am going in the woods stalking after deer. IF I bump into a grouse, rabbit, or maybe a squirrel; it'll hit it with the shotgun. I soldered a small tab onto the rear sight. This way I can flip the sight up without much noise or movement.

The savage 24 also has some pretty heavy trigger pull. Took me a good bit of work to get it to shoot OK. A combo rifle is not the best of both worlds, it's a compromise between them.

The best setup would be a 22mag/20 gauge. Hit them in the trees with the 20 gauge, get them on the ground with the 22 mag.

If times got rough and I'm hunting in the backwoods. I'd take a capable rifle and a very lightweight 22lr rifle. Keep the big rifle handy and strap the 22lr on the shoulder.

IF you do buy the savage 24, get this for the rear sight. I am assuming the rifle comes with the lyman 16 flip-up sight.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ruger-10-22-96-R...item483d82ac7f

This is the lyman 16 sight, which is on savage 24v models and a few others.

http://www.opticsplanet.net/lyman-no...eaf-sight.html
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