Should we keep "under god" in the pledge?

[DakotaS]

What God are we talking about here?

[Colorado MT Retreat]

I wouldn't say any part of the Pledge Of Allegiance. The part that gets me is the most is "with LIBERTY and JUSTICE for ALL".... yeah, what "Liberty" and what "Justice".

"For ALL"..... no no no, it's only for SOME because America is a police state dictatorship. How bout if we pledge to the Patriot Act !!! yeah ! that would be more truthful. The GOD part doesn't bother me, it's the meaning of the reciting of the Pledge , today it's just an illusion for those that need that fake "feeling" of being free and patriotic.

I feel the same with the Star Spangled Banner, I've been to games and you should see the looks I've gotten when I don't stand nor open my mouth when others go along with that illusion too.

It won't be too much longer and everyone will be pledging a new allegiance to a one world govt.

[KCChimneyman]

Originally Posted by 53convert

why should it be removed 50 years after it was added?

I am a purist, keep things like they were intended just like our Constitution quit making changes that take rights away. It is amazing how many want change when it coincides with their likes but hate it when it doesn't.

[13Fox150]

It was political correctness of 1954 that added it and it's political correctness of today that is trying to take it out.

[LOW96HB]

Yes leave it in, and give anyone who doesn't want it in there a 1 way ticket out of the country....Just my 2 cents...

[Republikflucht]

Originally Posted by LOW96HB

Yes leave it in, and give anyone who doesn't want it in there a 1 way ticket out of the country....Just my 2 cents...

Yea, just like a Communist country where if you don't adhere to party policy you either get locked up and "reeducated," shot, or get kicked out.

Luckily we have a thing called the Constitution that allows people to believe anything they want to believe or not to believe.

[LOW96HB]

Originally Posted by Republikflucht

Yea, just like a Communist country where if you don't adhere to party policy you either get locked up and "reeducated," shot, or get kicked out.

Luckily we have a thing called the Constitution that allows people to believe anything they want to believe or not to believe.

Well it is part of that this counrty is founded on. It was/is part of what this nation stood for. The founding fathers believed in it enough to base early American goverment around it, so why change it? And yes I do know it was added in 1954....
Its sort of like when people from the north move to the south to retire and try to bring their ways with them and bitch about our way of doing things in the south. I tell them every chance I get that if you liked the northern way of doing things so good then just move back up there. Just sayin....

[13Fox150]

Originally Posted by LOW96HB

Well it is part of that this counrty is founded on. It was/is part of what this nation stood for. The founding fathers believed in it enough to base early American goverment around it, so why change it? And yes I do know it was added in 1954....
Its sort of like when people from the north move to the south to retire and try to bring their ways with them and bitch about our way of doing things in the south. I tell them every chance I get that if you liked the northern way of doing things so good then just move back up there. Just sayin....

That might apply if we were talking about immigrants, but we're not, we're talking about other citizens born and raised in the U.S. Citizens that have the same "say" and "pull" as anyone else. Why does your opinion carry more weight than any other citizen?

[LOW96HB]

Originally Posted by 13Fox150

That might apply if we were talking about immigrants, but we're not, we're talking about other citizens born and raised in the U.S. Citizens that have the same "say" and "pull" as anyone else. Why does your opinion carry more weight than any other citizen?

It doesn't pull more weight that any other citizen, if you will read beck to my first comment on this topic it ends with " Just my 2 cents ". This is how I feel bout this issue, If you don't feel the same way thats ok by me.....

[KCChimneyman]

Originally Posted by LOW96HB

Well it is part of that this counrty is founded on. It was/is part of what this nation stood for. The founding fathers believed in it enough to base early American goverment around it, so why change it? And yes I do know it was added in 1954....
Its sort of like when people from the north move to the south to retire and try to bring their ways with them and bitch about our way of doing things in the south. I tell them every chance I get that if you liked the northern way of doing things so good then just move back up there. Just sayin....

Sorry but that was not what this country was founded on , most of the founding fathers say the corruption and totaltarianism of the organized religion. All the monarchies that were in place at the time were in fact backed by the Churches.(Anglican and Roman Catholic for the most part) and that is what they wanted to get away from.

[LOW96HB]

Originally Posted by KCChimneyman

Sorry but that was not what this country was founded on , most of the founding fathers say the corruption and totaltarianism of the organized religion. All the monarchies that were in place at the time were in fact backed by the Churches.(Anglican and Roman Catholic for the most part) and that is what they wanted to get away from.

Soooo....I'm lost here. If churches backed them, even though they were ( Anglican and Roman Catholic for the most part) as you put it, God should have been part of the church right. Well then if they were trying to get away from that, then ........
Ah forget it i'm not going to cause a stir. YES I think we need to leave " under GOD " in the pledge. Thanks you, i'm out...

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by 13Fox150

It was political correctness of 1954 that added it and it's political correctness of today that is trying to take it out.

good point, I never thought of it that way.

[The Saint]

For what its worth.

Leave it in, its not hurting anyone and if you are that ANTI-American you dont have to say it.

[doat]

I think someone in Washington wants to change that to "One nation under Obama"

[KCChimneyman]

Originally Posted by LOW96HB

Soooo....I'm lost here. If churches backed them, even though they were ( Anglican and Roman Catholic for the most part) as you put it, God should have been part of the church right. Well then if they were trying to get away from that, then ........
Ah forget it i'm not going to cause a stir. YES I think we need to leave " under GOD " in the pledge. Thanks you, i'm out...

I will finish it for you then why did they put freedom of religion? Easy they did not want to sanction,officially recognize any faith or lack of faith. They saw faith as a personal issue. Yes we had Puritans and Quakers that had to be appeased as we now have conservatives, tea baggers and liberals. But overall if they could have left Religion out of the mix they would have. And I find it funny to pledge allegiance to a flag, I would rather pledge my allegiance to the Constitution.

[KCChimneyman]

Originally Posted by The Saint

For what its worth.

Leave it in, its not hurting anyone and if you are that ANTI-American you dont have to say it.

It wouldn't hurt anyone to return it to its original form either, so why not take it out? It is not un-American to not to want to pledge to a GOD it is an American's right to or not to.

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by KCChimneyman

It wouldn't hurt anyone to return it to its original form either, so why not take it out? It is not un-American to not to want to pledge to a GOD it is an American's right to or not to.

yep, well good luck with that happening.

[CornCod]

I don't mind "under God." Its a bit of "civil religious" fluff and essentially harmless. The "under God" statement is unimportant to me as a Christian. It says nothing about any particular God, just some kind of vague deity. I worship the the Triune God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. A Muslim or Jew can recite the pledge right beside me, which makes the "under God" statement kinda useless because it can mean anything to anybody. From a religious standpoint "under God" is not really a confession of faith or declaration of the gospel.

As for the pledge itself, it was written by some Christian Socialist named Bellamy. I don't see why schoolchildren have to pledge thir loyalty to the government on a daily basis. Sure makes the government sound terribly insecure. If the republic was worth anything, folks would not need to make daily professions of loyalty.

[xDogsoldierx]

Athiests believe they are God and religious people believe in a God...So just leave it alone...Maybe science is your God.

[13Fox150]

Originally Posted by xDogsoldierx

Athiests believe they are God and religious people believe in a God...So just leave it alone...Maybe science is your God.

No they don't