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View Poll Results: Should "under God" be kept in the pledge?
Yes, keep it 601 76.27%
No, take it out 155 19.67%
Undecided, indifferent, or don't want to say 32 4.06%
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Old 08-12-2011, 11:11 AM
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I am not a Christian and do find the inflexibility and lack of respect for any possibility of there being any other possibility than the Christian God and Jesus disgusting.

Religious nutjobs burned people at the stake in Salem.

I pledge no allegiance to their God, but I will pledge to the flag and nation.
People made ill by the psychotropic effects of ergot poisoning in their rye burned people at the stake in Salem. It could just as easily have happened to Buddhists or Muslims or *gasp* athiests and secular humanists.
Old 08-12-2011, 11:14 AM
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As others have said, the pledge of allegiance should be brought back to way it originally was when it was first conceived.
As a socialist, secular humanist pledge of deference to the primary rights of the state over the individual? No, thanks.

The real question is not whether to keep the words "under God," but whether to keep the pledge in the first place. The words "under God" are just a window dressing designed to make the reprehensible more palatable.
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It's a very, very easy fix: One nation, under god(s). There, problem solved. We are all nice and politically correct now. If you toss out the pledge of allegiance, the bill of rights would be next, because some yuppie douche bag will take offense to something in there as well. Then the constitution. It says "In God We Trust" on all of our money too. Uh Oh! We might offend some Muslims or some atheists with that! Better change that too. These kinds of topics make me sick.
Why not just renounce your freedom completely and let anyone who can swim, run, or jump over our borders tell us what to do?
You know, I think I just came up with an even better solution while typing this: If you don't like our pledge, or our use of the word "God" on our money and documents, then GET THE **** OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And go start your own country!!!!!
I agree. It dont say "jesus" it could mean buda. So leave it alone. And like he said dont like it get out!!!! Take a long hike off a short cliff!
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But I'll be damned if anyone forces my children to make any reference to a religion that they may not follow, nor would I expect anyone else's children to be denied that right.
As has been said. No one is advocating requiring anyone to adhere to any religion. No one is suggesting that we use Jesus, Buddha, Jehovah, Krishna, Allah (though Islam is not a religion but that is another topic) or any other specific religion. Nothing in the pledge violates the first amendment, because there is no endorsement of any religion. If there was, my position would be different as I am not a Christian.
There seems to be some confusion as some seem to think that the first amendment protects those who do not believe in God from being offended. I suggest reading it again. There is not such clause, atheist have no such right. If folks opt to be atheist that is fine but do not expect me to or the country to change to accommodate your beliefs or lack of. The Constitution and this country was founded with the understanding that there is a God, even though we may each have a different understanding of God, the idea that there is no God or those who do not believe in God was never considered, any more than any consideration was given for those who do not believe there is s sun.
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Keep in the pledge but take it off our currency. The love of money has taken over this country. It's an insult to G-d to have it on there.
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Not uncommon to screw up and then have the drill instructor tell you what you did wrong (as an individual or squad - no difference) and tell you how to do it correctly. He would then proceed to explain why he cannot take any action for 30 minutes after chow.

He then instructs you to stand at parade rest (because ceremony rest is to complicated for recruits) and pray to what ever deity you gosh scumbags (cannot swear any more) hold holy for the next 25 minutes. . . . .

. . . . . because after that your ******* ass is his (sometimes they still do slip in a swear word).

I’ll agree that god in the pledge can be lower case or god/gods via the (s) is fine. I further maintain my right to believe that all the (s) will burn in hell (or Detroit depending on your religion) and that you have the right to choose to burn in Detroit, or L.A., Tin-Buck-Two, or Kalamazoo (if there is one).

But only 1% of the most honorable americans know what I’m talking about first hand.

God(s) bless America. (Give me a break - it was at the beginning of a sentence this time.) For the rest of you, may Jesus have mercy on your soul.
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While I really don't care personally, it's unconstitutional. Freedom FROM religion. The belief in a higher power or god is religion. So I guess it should go...
That being said, I don't care if it stays or not.
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If folks opt to be atheist that is fine but do not expect me to or the country to change to accommodate your beliefs or lack of.
And I don't have to accommodate your belief in a god by keeping or adding "god" to things. It goes both ways.
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Freedom FROM religion.
Ok, son I am ignorant. Educate me please show me where it says that in the Constitution, Bill Of Rights, Declaration of Independence or any other founding documents of our nation.
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If they don't like it... They can Move to a county that doesn't have hundreds of years in tradition of it being in their pledge. Why doesn't anyone worry about offending me? lol
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And I don't have to accommodate your belief in a god by keeping or adding "god" to things. It goes both ways.
I couldn't agree more. I'm not for shoving any religion down someones throat. So don't say it. Who will care?

I'm not for a nation of trying to please every whiner in our country. It's been in there for a long time, People have delt with it. If people are that sensitive. I suggest tightening ones chin strap.

Do we not have larger issues to address?
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If they don't like it... They can Move to a county that doesn't have hundreds of years in tradition of it being in their pledge. Why doesn't anyone worry about offending me? lol
"under God" wasn't added to the pledge until 1954.
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I've seen it said that people don't have a problem with it being on money, so why do they care about it being in our pledge? First off, the pledge is a silly idea to begin with. What, I have to repeat something over and over again to make me feel like I'm apart of my country? Yeah, that makes total sense, and for the record, I do have a problem with it being on our money as well, it shouldn't be there, we have something that a lot of people refuse to really acknowledge when it comes to how the U.S should run its country, and that is the separation of church and state.

However, the argument that it shouldn't be in there because it wasn't in there to begin with doesn't hold too much water, because if we take that same line of thinking and use it with the U.S constitution, we can easily argue if black people should be treated equally to whites, should woman be allowed to vote, why should we? It wasn't there to begin with.

We shouldn't have a pledge to begin with, Teddy Roosevelt once said patriotism isn't supporting your government, it is standing by your country, and I don't need to talk to a flag to make me stand up for my country. Someone pointed who cares if people get offended, they don't have a right not to be. You are correct, however it isn't an argument with me of whether or not it is "offensive" it is whether or not it is needed, and the answer is no, it isn't needed. Just like ninety, faint "20"s aren't needed on my $20 bill to let me know it is in fact 20 dollars.

I don't think it should be on anything state supported, and why is that? It simply doesn't make sense. How can I say that? Let us dive just gently into the lake of thought on this one. "In God We Trust". Who is -we-? We would be everyone. As the constitution says: "We the people". "We" would include all people, rich, poor, black, white, christians, jews, and yes as horrible as it may sound, (gasp!) atheists. So how does it even make sense that "we" trust in God? We don't, some do. So is it going to say "In God Some Trust?" No, you can't really say that should be there, that makes no sense, because if you put that there, then you should almost have to put up "In McDonald's Most Eat" next to it, just because it's true, right? Yeah, it gets that silly.

Meanwhile, while we argue about this, there are more pressing issues to be solved, so I'll just call it one of the many things America has done in its long standing tradition of being against it's best interest and call it a day.
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Just keep it.........whats the harmmmmmmmm
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Why should it have been inserted into the pledge 30+ years after it was written?
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Why should it have been inserted into the pledge 30+ years after it was written?
why should it be removed 50 years after it was added?
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