Should we keep "under god" in the pledge?

[LongRider]

Originally Posted by 13Fox150

That'll teach all about rights and freedom

Absolutely right!! Teach that freedom, liberty and rights are not free. That freedom and rights have duties and obligations attached to them. That this is not a nation of entitlements and free rides. Lay the foundation for teaching honor and integrity.

Those that can not accept their duties and obligations as citizens of the Greatest Nation on Earth can get the hell out.

Hope the door hits em on their rear and knocks them to the ground on the way out.

[13Fox150]

Originally Posted by LongRider

Absolutely right!! Teach that freedom, liberty and rights are not free. That freedom and rights have duties and obligations attached to them. That this is not a nation of entitlements and free rides. Lay the foundation for teaching honor and integrity.

Those that can not accept their duties and obligations as citizens of the Greatest Nation on Earth can get the hell out.

Hope the door hits em on their rear and knocks them to the ground on the way out.

Well you can have your version and I'll stick with the 1st Amendment.

[Doc_Shane]

I am not a Christian and do find the inflexibility and lack of respect for any possibility of there being any other possibility than the Christian God and Jesus disgusting.

Religious nutjobs burned people at the stake in Salem.

I pledge no allegiance to their God, but I will pledge to the flag and nation.

[name-old]

It should say "In "GOD" we trust"

[home in oz]

It just makes sense in a country where most people profess to be religious.

[LongRider]

Originally Posted by 13Fox150

Well you can have your version and I'll stick with the 1st Amendment.

Complete straw man argument totally irrelevant. Nothing I said violates the First Amendment. So I do not understand what your point is if any.
Are you suggesting that children should dictate what they will be taught?
That children should do as they please in school.
Do you know what the First Amendment says? Because your reference of it makes not sense.

[LongRider]

Originally Posted by Doc_Shane

I pledge no allegiance to their God, but I will pledge to the flag and nation.

To be clear the Pledge Of Allegiance is

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty, and justice for all.

There is no pledge of allegiance to anyone's God. It simply acknowledges the fact that
We are one nation
A nation under God
An undivided nation
A nation that offers liberty and justice for all

[Spartan300]

I find talk of changing the pledge and even the National Anthem beyond sad. These traditions bind us together as a common people in America. It baffles me that all of a sudden the pledge, God on our currency, and Christmas trees in schools are controversial. Hell, even flying the American flag has become a huge issue in some communities. These basic and common things have helped hold us together as a people for decade after decade. No wonder we are falling apart as a Nation.....heck, we are falling apart as a people. We can't even agree on being American any more. Going around the world apologizing for all the evil we have done, and now even ashamed of our pledge of allegiance. I am not sure how long a nation like this should stand to tell you the truth.....sad.

[13Fox150]

Originally Posted by LongRider

Complete straw man argument totally irrelevant. Nothing I said violates the First Amendment. So I do not understand what your point is if any.
Are you suggesting that children should dictate what they will be taught?
That children should do as they please in school.
Do you know what the First Amendment says? Because your reference of it makes not sense.

Forcing children to recite the pledge under threat of expulsion violates their right to free speech. And probably worse than that it seems an awful lot like something Comunists would do.

Children should not dictate what they learn, nor should they do as they please but this is not Mother Russia Comrade.

[name-old]

Atheist/agnostic is the fastest growing religious minority in the country. It's just a matter of time when all old religious conservative people die and the mostly liberal younger generations start making the decisions at a governmental level.

[556X45]

Originally Posted by name

Atheist/agnostic is the fastest growing religious minority in the country. It's just a matter of time when all old religious conservative people die and the mostly liberal younger generations start making the decisions at a governmental level.

hell we see what the young liberal generation is doing to us the the White House!!! It seems to me the youyng liberals are selling us down the river. If you do0n't like under God then don't say it pretty darn simple huh

[13Fox150]

Originally Posted by 556X45

hell we see what the young liberal generation is doing to us the the White House!!! It seems to me the youyng liberals are selling us down the river. If you do0n't like under God then don't say it pretty darn simple huh

It really is that simple. Why people on both sides can't figure it out is beyond me.

[556X45]

Originally Posted by 13Fox150

It really is that simple. Why people on both sides can't figure it out is beyond me.

I think its because of this:"I'm right you are wrong". "Back in the the day" we said the pledge and stood facing the flag even had a prayer in school if a PARENT didn't want their child to do it that was fine. Didn't need to. The teacher would explain to the class why Johnny wasn't say it. We learned about 1st admentmant that way. Worked out pretty good I think. Sorry for the long reply.wish I would have learn to spell better

[Squall]

I'm atheist, but I support keeping it.

[LongRider]

Originally Posted by 13Fox150

Forcing children to recite the pledge under threat of expulsion violates their right to free speech. And probably worse than that it seems an awful lot like something Comunists would do.

Children should not dictate what they learn, nor should they do as they please but this is not Mother Russia Comrade.

A) Children DO NOT have first amendment rights. They are children
B) I'd take it one step farther ANYONE who does not, can not Pledge Allegiance to this country in English can get the F out. So sick of all the entitlement parasites whose entire being is based upon their own selfish self centered self interests that think citizenship is all about them and what they can take. With no concept of LOYALTY, HONOR, DUTY, OBLIGATION, SERVICE and SELF SACRIFICE. Being a free country does not mean a free ride. Freedom has a price pay up or get out.

[LongRider]

Originally Posted by Spartan300

I find talk of changing the pledge and even the National Anthem beyond sad. These traditions bind us together as a common people in America. It baffles me that all of a sudden the pledge, God on our currency, and Christmas trees in schools are controversial. Hell, even flying the American flag has become a huge issue in some communities. These basic and common things have helped hold us together as a people for decade after decade. No wonder we are falling apart as a Nation.....heck, we are falling apart as a people. We can't even agree on being American any more. Going around the world apologizing for all the evil we have done, and now even ashamed of our pledge of allegiance. I am not sure how long a nation like this should stand to tell you the truth.....sad.

Thank you well said.

[KCChimneyman]

I say let's keep it as it was originally written, for those of you who don't know how it was originally it did not have "under God"

http://www.religioustolerance.org/nat_pled1.htm

[13Fox150]

Originally Posted by LongRider

A) Children DO NOT have first amendment rights. They are children
B) I'd take it one step farther ANYONE who does not, can not Pledge Allegiance to this country in English can get the F out. So sick of all the entitlement parasites whose entire being is based upon their own selfish self centered self interests that think citizenship is all about them and what they can take. With no concept of LOYALTY, HONOR, DUTY, OBLIGATION, SERVICE and SELF SACRIFICE. Being a free country does not mean a free ride. Freedom has a price pay up or get out.

Children have no 1st Ammendment rights? Really? Then I can assume you would have no problem with school kids being denied the right to say a prayer to themselves before a meal? Or wear a religious symbol? I mean, no rights so......

I don't like parasites either but saying "under God" has no bearing on the entitlement complex that we have in the U.S. I get the impression that you think I'm some entitled liberal that expects everything and contributes nothing but I assure you that is not the case. But I'll be damned if anyone forces my children to make any reference to a religion that they may not follow, nor would I expect anyone else's children to be denied that right. You seem to care an awful lot about the rights of those that you agree with, I support the rights of everyone, even yours.

[el drewto]

As others have said, the pledge of allegiance should be brought back to way it originally was when it was first conceived.

[Republikflucht]

I say take it out. I have always supported the sovereignty of the nation, under no tyrannical kings or gods.