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Old 11-14-2010, 12:43 AM
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I have used a Win 30-30 for Whitetail since I began but I've been contemplating getting a 270. and I was wondering much harder recoil?

A family member bought a new 308. a month ago which is what I'll be using opening afternoon just for the hell of it.

I want to step-up from a 30-30 to something bigger but with a bad back and shoulder I don't want mess myself up (which I've done before).

So out of the 270. and 308. (killer) which would you recommend I buy as far as recoil etc?
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I have used a Win 30-30 for Whitetail since I began but I've been contemplating getting a 270. and I was wondering much harder recoil?

A family member bought a new 308. a month ago which is what I'll be using opening afternoon just for the hell of it.

I want to step-up from a 30-30 to something bigger but with a bad back and shoulder I don't want mess myself up (which I've done before).

So out of the 270. and 308. (killer) which would you recommend I buy as far as recoil etc?
Depending on the extent of your injured back/shoulder, you might consider something in 243, or 7mm08. Both have less felt recoil than 270, 30-30, and 308........ and both are very capable of harvesting deer.

I'm not a doctor, and have no idea how bad your back and shoulder are, but if your 30-30 is causing issues there, this could result in flinching before the shot, producing a miss, or poorly placed shot. Something bigger would only cause this to get worse me thinks.

Various recoil rubber butt pads may help, as well.

There is also "reduced recoil" 308 ammunition. Federal and Remington produce this. I haven't fired any of it,so cant give an opinion.
I dont believe that they produce such a load in 270 however.

So, out of the 2 calibers your looking at, I would have to say 308 and with reduced recoil ammunition.

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Agree that the .270 is not as low of a recoil weapon as the cal may imply. .243 also a great deer gun. IMO going from 30-30 to .270 is a fairly big jump for felt recoil.
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Check this out.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/federal_low_recoil.htm

http://www.eabco.com/recoil.html

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...mmunition.html


looks like they make it in 270 as well.

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I've shot a lot of different caliber rifle in different configurations for 300 Win. Mag,7MM Mag. several 30 cal's,270,243 and on down.

Maybe it's just me but I think the 270 although a great rd. kicked harder than any caliber that I've fired so far. Granted it could have been the rifles stock configuration and I didn't use any kind of recoil pad such as a Limb Saver or Kick Killer which will reduce felt recoil quiet a bit. I personally don't even care to shoot a 270 it just that uncomfortable to me to enjoy shooting much.

A rifle I do like is the Win. 243,I reload for that caliber for a friend of mine who wife hunts with one and uses it for both deer and varmint hunting. A simple bullet swap for a 95 gr. Nosler Partition for deer to a lighter 80 gr. Ballistic Tip bullet takes care of both applications. She has dropped ever deer she has shot with it in the past three year with one shot.

Now if your a fan of the bigger calibers and the recoil pads don't serve the purpose or the reduced recoil ammo is to expensive and doesn't allow you to shoot as much as you like you can load your own or find a trusted friend that can load your ammo for you. IMR Trail Boss allows you to load your own managed recoil lower velocity loads for many calibers http://www.imrpowder.com/PDF/Trail-Boss-data.pdf and Youth loads that will fit the bill http://www.imrpowder.com/PDF/Youth%20Loads.pdf There is also the option of loading hard cast rifle bullets which will kill big game just as dead as any jacketed bullet at less cost per shot and with both lower velocity and recoil.
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Check out these sites .http://www.accuratereloading.com/recoil.html, http://www.accuratereloading.com/recoil.html The .270 is a flat shooting, accurate, hard hitting deer rifle with less felt recoilt than the .308,.30-06, and even the 30-30.
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I've shot a lot of different rifles.

Without going to the heavier cartridge/caliber combos. Most of your felt recoil lies with in the type of rifle you are shooting vs. bullet weight.

My 270 with 130gr bullets doesnt seem to kick hard at all, at least no more than the 30-30's I've ever shot. My 270 weighs more and has a recoil pad

Go with a heavier rifle, shoot a lighter bullet but intended for your game

As an alternative, learn to shoot with your other shoulder, get a scope as not to be worried about eye dominance.
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i have a 270 and i will not use it for hunting for lack of stooping power i use a rouger 44 deer field felt recoil is light not one deer i have hit with the 270 has went down. with that said i hunt in heavy brush a long shot for me is 20 yards. a guy at the local gut shop told be that im to close for the 270 as it is still moving to fast so it just fly's rite threw but. but to get back on point when i was a kid i hunted with a 3030 and the 270 has a lighter felt recoil
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Some folks say a .30-03 is only good for 200 yards, but say a .270 or .308 or whatever is good for 600 yards. They both drop bullets, neither defy gravity.

If the .30-30 is working, keep working with it. In fact, a typical marlin 336 or 94 winchester has the barrel center higher than most bolt guns. The higher off the center of the stock, the more it will feel like it kicks.

A similar weighted .270 will kick about the same as a .308.

6.8 SPC can be another option. 7mm waters, which is a necked down .30-30 is also good. 6.5mm mauser, 7mm mauser, .257 roberts, .260 remington. I'd only go for those if you reload though. .243 has killed alot of animals.

If you seem to frequently not take shots because of range limitation, then get another one. IF your in a mild wind area, then get a rangefinder. I have done plenty of practice shooting and varmit hunting in the 300-350 yard range with .30-30.

Zero you .30-30 with 150gr bullets at 175 yards. It's 3" high at 100 and 3" low at 200 yards. At 300 yards, the drop is about 24 inches.

You can play around with these numbers yourself.

http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-re...ics-calculator
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.270 still has 30-30 knockdown power at 450 yards ill take the 270.
i have never had a deer hit with 270 go more than 3 steps/jumps. a limbsaver on my 14 year olds 270 cuts it back just fine, only slightly more kick than my 9mm camp carbine with +p ammo.
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It just so happens I three weeks ago I sighted in my wifes 30-30 and sighted in my .270 with new handloads.
I'm a outdoorsman, I've hunting since I was 8yrs old...I hunt everything fur, feathers, fins..if you can buy a tag for it I hunt or fish for it. I do shotguns, rifles, and pistols. I spent the last 20 years shooting riot shotguns (ouch), M9's, Sig40's and M16's and M240's I got sometime behind a trigger, that's not counting my hunting stuff. And sadly to say, if I'm benched I'm a recoil sissy. Standing or actually hunting I don't notice any recoil, or ringing ears.

My wife's plastic butted .30-30 Marlin 336 sucked for me to sight-in at the bench. I definately need a new pad for her 336 if I'm gonna be testing new ammo for her. She shoots it fine as is.
My .270 with a nice rubber pad is fine to shoot. I cooked up some 3000fps Barnes and I could shoot it all day. The muzzle blast parted the grass and brush and tipped my chrony over (need a better tripod) he-he. I had no ouchy with mine.

Im a recoil sissy... so here's my ideas for "counter-recoil":

Its all about the butt pad....soft is good.
Get a heavy rifle, scope plus rifle weight that makes it heavy to carry. (Never get a light weight, mountain gun!) just get stronger and carry heavy he-he
Go with a gas operated rifle, gas operated stuff is fun to shoot it doesn't hurt at all even if it was a 300 WinMag like a Benelli R1.
Go with a straight necked cartridge ..when you shoulder or neck down a round its felt recoil factor goes up. .A 375 H&H Mag doesn't kick more than a 12 gauge shotgun for me...with a good buttpad.

I'm not a muzzlebreak fan as it makes it way too loud

Hope this helps-WW
ps..I'm a guy with one gun for big game..my .270 elk,deer,antelope, whatever... I shoot her like a extension of my arm. As a reloader I can make .270 brass from old .30-06, which is pretty convient if things go bad.
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Shooting a Winchester Model 1894 (pre1964) 30/30 with Remington 170 grain bullets or a Remington Mdel 700 BDL with Remington 150 grain bullets I see a bit more Recoil in .270. However the differance between the 2 rifles for Recoil, should not impede or hinder in a pruchase of a .270..IMO
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"i have a 270 and i will not use it for hunting for lack of stooping power i use a rouger 44 deer field felt recoil is light not one deer i have hit with the 270 has went down. with that said i hunt in heavy brush a long shot for me is 20 yards. a guy at the local gut shop told be that im to close for the 270 as it is still moving to fast so it just fly's rite threw but. but to get back on point when i was a kid i hunted with a 3030 and the 270 has a lighter felt recoil"
The .270 has as much knock down power(or energy foot lbs.) at 400 yards as the .44 does at the muzzle. It is not the calibre that is the problem.
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My wife and I both use the SKS for hunting deer in the brush, (7.62x39). You get the power of the 30.30 but with very little recoil because the acton takes most of it up. My daughter hunts with a custom built Remington 700 in .243. A friend of mine and his wife both hunt with .270s and have taken deer and elk with the round with no problems.
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Check out these sites .http://www.accuratereloading.com/recoil.html, http://www.accuratereloading.com/recoil.html The .270 is a flat shooting, accurate, hard hitting deer rifle with less felt recoilt than the .308,.30-06, and even the 30-30.
The chart you posted has the .270 with a recoil factor of 162.6

The .308 with a recoil factor of 35.2

And the 30-06 with a recoil factor of 60.1

So, if the chart is correct, the .270 would have significantly more recoil.

Having said that, I've fired all of those and can hardly tell the difference. I think the .270 is loaded to higher cpu pressure so it seems to have a louder blast and slightly higher recoil, but almost undetectable for me.

I think it depends on recoil sensitivity. It varies with people. I don't find the recoil on my .375 H&H Magnum objectionable and according to that chart it has a recoil factor of 628. I think that barring medical issues a person can get used to anything.
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Everyone today seems to weird out over recoil.

I have shot Elk with a 375H&H and was about to take it Deer hunting when my X wife sold it.

sure it kicks but so what,It Kills believe me it Kills
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No kidding. Get a heavier semi-auto if recoil bothers you. Get some kleenex while you're at it.
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What's another name for the .460 Weatherby?

















The Phillipino .22!

But really..........a long barreled .270 that weighs in at around 10 lbs. scoped will have less felt recoil than a 30/30 carbine IMO.
You won't feel either one when you drop the hammer on something living.
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recoil is a calculation you can use to determine how much you may feel.

Free recoil energy in foot pounds= (weight of the bullet in pounds X muzzle velocity of the bullet in FPS + 4700 X weight of the powder charge in pounds) squared. Then devide that total by 64.348 X the weight of the gun in pounds

Devide grains by 7000 to get pounds

I'm sure there's a site you could just plug in the numbers and it'd calculate it out for you.
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Dragging the deer to the truck might be worse for you than felt recoil of the rifle regardless. If you do tag a deer, how will this affect your injuries? ( Cell phone and call a buddy to help?)

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