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Old 11-07-2010, 03:39 PM
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what type(s) of ammo should i buy for the sole purpose of barter ? should i buy target (fmj) or self-defense (hollow point) ? also, should i buy a mixture of calibers ? thanks for any advice, would be greatly appreciated !
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If you don't mind arming the desperate people around you, I'd go for whatever is cheapest in bulk. They're not going to be picky when it's all they can get, and your money will go farther.

Realistically, I'd say only stock ammo you can use in your own guns though. At least you'll be able to use it if you don't end up needing to barter with it.
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fmj 9mm and 22LR , best bang for your buck
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what type(s) of ammo should i buy for the sole purpose of barter ?

None. Never barter anything that has the capacity of being returned to you at an extremely high rate of speed.
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I agree with rickb223, I don't want to give out ammo to people that I don't know and trust. I do have some oddball ammo left over from guns that I no longer own, but I will keep this for friends and family that can use it.
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frankly i wouldnt trade any ammo. instead of ammo why not buy some silver bullion?

i wouldnt trade any items that could be used against me.
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what type(s) of ammo should i buy for the sole purpose of barter ? should i buy target (fmj) or self-defense (hollow point) ? also, should i buy a mixture of calibers ? thanks for any advice, would be greatly appreciated !
I see this question asked a LOT on a lot of boards and it comes up now and again, especially as a rebuttal to purchasing precious metals as a way to either hold on to wealth or for barter in the PAW. Bear with me, I'm getting to the point of the original question...A friend of mine always throws "you can't eat gold or silver" at me when I mention junk silver dimes and then gets all up on his soap box about how he's going to go all Dan'l Boone & Grizzley Adams and if he needs to barter something it'll be 9mm or 22lr.

Personally, I have to agree with both Mike and Rick for a couple of reasons:
1) I'm not arming someone who's desperate. I have absolutely no way of knowing that they aren't going to shoot me in the back or have me followed and take me out or try to sneak into my compound or whatever once our transaction is done. This is a little bit different in a "structured" PAW situation where I'm going to town and using the ammo as currency at the General Store 18-24 months after the collapse but frankly, I don't see that happening.

2) I'm not arming someone I don't know. See above.

3) I only have so many weapons of my own and I'm going to be doing everything I can ahead of time to keep the calibers as similar among those AND as similar to those around me AND as similar to those used by those I'm most likely to link up with or encounter (read: Family/Current & Former LEO/Current & Former Military...not going into detail but I have my reasons for why I'm making this decision).

If you DO go the SEAL route...you know:
Some Ammo,
then some extra ammo,
then more ammo,
then the backup ammo,
followed by a little bit of additional ammo,
topped of by that last little bit of ammo you had laying around,
and then, GOD love her, the ammo the wife got you for Christmas but hadn't given to you yet! Yeah, that route, you might want to think about 9mm and 22lr as those two are going to be some of both the most common and the most readily available now.

Only get them if you have something that can eat them though. If your hardware doesn't use it, don't buy it, it's a waste of money! Don't buy it as an excuse to buy more hardware either...that's putting the cart before the horse. If you want a 9mm, get a 9mm and a boatload of ammo at the same time (or not 'quite' at the same time but you get the point). If you really want a .22, get a .22 and then buy the ammo. Then you buy the also additional extra extra.

Keep in mind, 22lr is going to most likely be subsonic so you won't even hear the round that kills you. That's gonna suck and St. Peter's probably gonna kick yer ass for prepping as well as you did and then getting shot in the back of your head with your own ammo. Just sayin'.

Lastly, prepping for trade should be one of the LAST things you think about. Don't even consider it until you are just about as sure as you can be that you are DONE otherwise.
Shelter?
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The above list is by no means extensive, it's more headers for BOOKSHELVES than anything but you get the idea, otherwise you wouldn't be asking the question and you wouldn't be on the site. I'm not there, don't get me wrong. I'm 2 paychecks away for destitute with a couple months of food in the pantry but I'm working at it, I'm trying and I've thought of these things and just trying to help out.

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.22LR
9mm
.40 S&W
.45 ACP
.357 Magnum
5.56x45mm (.223 Remington)
7.62x39mm
7.62x51mm (.308 Winchester)
12 Gauge

That list covers the most common/available calibers you will find in the U.S.

I would personally stock 9mm or .45 ACP. LEO's will likely be looking for .40 S&W. The three rifle rounds are a toss up. There are a ton of AR and AK's out there, so either the .223/7.62X39 wouldn't be a bad choice. I would lean to the .223 simply because our military uses it, so I suspect there are a tad more AR owners out there. Same with the .308 Winchester. I would certainly stock it. Also the .22LR and 12 Gauge are very common, so either wouldn't be a bad choice. You will find a lot of desperate sheeple with shotguns, so you may be able to barter yourself a fortune.
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If you don't have a large prepping budget, stick with FMJ for use in trading. Same thing with 12 gauge birdshot. Stocking up on 12 gauge buckshot can get pretty expensive depending on how much you want to have on hand. Save the most effective ammo for your personal use, like hollowpoints, softpoints, hunting loads, etc. I personally stock up:

.22LR CCI mini-mags (copper plated bullets)
12 gauge birdshot (Remington/Winchester/Federal)
7.62x39 FMJ (Russian steel-cased)

As for my personal ammunition (no sharing), I will stockpile:

7.62x39 Brown Bear softpoints (in general, they are more effective for defense against animals and looters than other FMJ/JHP loads for the AK-47)
12 gauge 00 buckshot (2.75" and 3" loads)
12 gauge rifled slugs

Even if I traded all my cheap ammo away, I would still be prepared to hunt larger game and have very effective personal defense ammo. If you have a larger budget, then I would recommend buying a variety of FMJ pistol ammo. I generally only buy ammo for guns that I have, but that's cuz I'm a college student haha. As a final thought, I believe it's best to have enough for yourself and not need to barter. I don't plan on bartering with ammo; I would use camping equipment, tobacco, alcohol, etc. Welcome to the boards, tsx500!
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I agree with DarkLight. I wouldn't barter ammo with anyone other than family or very close friends that are like family. My main reason is that I don't want as few people as possible to know that I am armed. Other than that, I have ammo that I know I can share with family/friends. We all have 9mm. A few have .40's. By the look at neighborhood stores that sell ammo, I surmise that most people around me have 9mm.

Anyway, I agree with not bartering off anything that can be used against you.
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Standardize calibers and stock supplies to what suits your situation. Keep a few weapons in other standard calibers, if possible, to take advantage of unexpected gift ammo. Same with ammo, in case you encounter extra weapons. Never know what you're gonna find out there...




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If you choose to barter with ammol, I would recommend that you stock the most common calibers 9mm. .38, .357, 40 S&W, 45 ACP, in handgun calibers, ,223, 7.62X39, 7.62 X51 (308). As always, 22LR will be popular as well. I would just stock the calibers of the guns that you own, and if you have some to spare (and would be very careful, as resupply will be difficult), then you could barter with the extra that you feel that you have. I would certainly give a great deal of thought to the warnings that have been given regarding the danger of bartering ammo. As for me, I would have the fear that as soon as I gave away ammo, I would need it.
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For barter, primers will be as good as gold.

All other ammo components can easily be recycled &/or home manufactured.

Primers are cheap and don't require much storage space.

A $100 investment now will make you the most popular guy in town post- SHTF.

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If I were the government confronted with a revolting desperate public, the first thing I would do is to stop the sales of guns and ammo to the public. You have to consider that when your ammo is gone, it's probably gone for good so what you have must last you a long time. Therefore, I do not plan to barter with ammo. I could possibly see using some of my ammo stores to gain entrance to a good group of people who were running low, but even that is dicey. At 26,000 rds, I still feel under-supplied. But that's just me.

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I see this question asked a LOT on a lot of boards and it comes up now and again, especially as a rebuttal to purchasing precious metals as a way to either hold on to wealth or for barter in the PAW. Bear with me, I'm getting to the point of the original question...A friend of mine always throws "you can't eat gold or silver" at me when I mention junk silver dimes and then gets all up on his soap box about how he's going to go all Dan'l Boone & Grizzley Adams and if he needs to barter something it'll be 9mm or 22lr.
We run into that same mentality here too. The either/or mentality. As if anyone is going to store gold instead of food. Or ammo for that matter. It shows alot about their thought processes, or lack thereof.

The thing is that we don't know what the hot barter items are going to be, and when. For example, booze has historically been a hot barter item on black markets. But it might not be worth the bottle it's stored in during the beginning when people are struggling just to feed their families. It pays to have a good variety of things that might be useful for barter. I figure medical supplies and medicines will be valuable at some point. Ammo probably will be too. Gold and silver, probably not in the beginning. Personal care and hygiene items might be valuable later on too, when store supplies have been scavenged.
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I had the same thought once. When I 1st started to prep I thought "I can always barter ammo, It will be worth more than gold." Then I did my 1st tour in Kawait and heard stories of soldiers that actually bartered some other ammo for stupid things and it was used against them. So I learned a few skills I can barter with: Being a combat medic, gun smith. Learning skills like those is the best barter you can have cus if & when you come across others when SHTF those skills will be worth more than gold. The other thing is minor supplies like matches, alcohol pads, and things like those will also be good for barter and doesn't take up alot of space.
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I agree with what others have said. I would only stockpile ammunition you can use for your own weapons. If you have excess cash use it for silver bullion and storable food. You could never go wrong with those two items.
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Whatever is on sale, vary it. The most common would be 9mm, .357, .38, .45, .223, .30-30, .30-06, .308, 12 guage. I been buying whatever is on sale strictly for bartering. Gold is too expensive for me to invest in, so I invest in brass, copper and lead
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Shotgun shells and 22lr

Here's my reasoning - there are millions of both. Think of how many single shot 12g shotguns are out there. One of those guns they have been making for 100-years BUT the shells are big and bulky and people just dont stock more than a box which may contain a couple dozen shells. Whether home defense or food gathering, that ammo will be very valuable.

22lr - not a more common dual-use (rifle/ handgun) ammo out there. Cheap to buy in bulk and using a handful (read One Second After) as barter is perfect.
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