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Old 10-23-2010, 10:35 PM
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My gun cabinet is starting to fill up. My safe is full of important papers and PM's. What is the best way to store ammo longterm? .50 Ammo Cans? Other ideas to keep the ammo fresh other than rotating? As the amount increases, so does my anxiety to keep the ammo safe and usable.
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My gun cabinet is starting to fill up. My safe is full of important papers and PM's. What is the best way to store ammo longterm? .50 Ammo Cans? Other ideas to keep the ammo fresh other than rotating? As the amount increases, so does my anxiety to keep the ammo safe and usable.

Store it in a cool dry place just like the military does. Ammo lasts an exceptionally long time government stores have lasted over 70 years.

Some folks advocate oxygen absorbers I have problems with this becuase the powder inside the round REQUIRES oxygen to work properly and the seals on hte round may not hold up to long term negative pressure. Perhaps a light vacume seal would be OK but notheing extreme like using O2 absorbers with a vaccume sealed bag to store ammo.
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Id say moisture absorbers and pack in 4-6" pvs pipes and cache away
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I have stored the same ammo for 25+ years now and it shoots just fine. I keep it in the house, in a closet, out of the sun in a Jo/Box. Try to keep it at a constant temp and not let it get too hot or cold. I use nothing else no rotation except adding to my stash and shooting the older stuff first but I have a LOT of older stuff with real cheap price tags still on it!! Mark
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Ammo cans are just fine, I have been working/shooting my way through 1960's .45 ammo that somebody gave me and have not had a problem yet with it.
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Some folks advocate oxygen absorbers I have problems with this becuase the powder inside the round REQUIRES oxygen to work properly and the seals on hte round may not hold up to long term negative pressure.
Uh, powder contains it's own oxygen and doesn't require any from the air. In fact, some reloading formulas call for a compressed powder charge where there's no air space left at all.

But that's neither here nor there. O2 isn't the enemy of ammo storage. Temperature extremes and liquid moisture is. As long as it's kept dry and stored in relatively cool conditions it lasts for decades.

Vacuum sealing does nothing to preserve it either, and may be detrimental. Although sealing it in vacuum bags without a vacuum is a good way to keep it waterproof and make your own battle packs.

Storing it in ammo cans is more than enough protection. Even in all but the most humid climates, just keeping it in it's box is good enough. I've shot commercial ammo from the '50s and '60 that had just sat around on a shelf in it's box and it was identical to newly made ammo.
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Metal ammo cans in a cool dry place.
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I have been saving up all those little silica gel and dessicant packs that come in the shoe boxes and jerky packages. It's a good idea to toss a few in with your ammo inthe even f condensation or rapid temperature change, such as bringing stored ammo boxes out of the warm house and into the snow.
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I have been saving up all those little silica gel and dessicant packs that come in the shoe boxes and jerky packages. It's a good idea to toss a few in with your ammo...
That's what do. Different cans for different calibers. Fill 'em and throw in a couple of packs. No issues yet.
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That's what do. Different cans for different calibers. Fill 'em and throw in a couple of packs. No issues yet.
I mark my ammo cans with what is inside I use a paint pen you can get at any hobby supply. That way I don't have to open cans that need to stay sealed to get what I need.
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I have been saving up all those little silica gel and dessicant packs that come in the shoe boxes and jerky packages. It's a good idea to toss a few in with your ammo inthe even f condensation or rapid temperature change, such as bringing stored ammo boxes out of the warm house and into the snow.
I save and reuse them too. But the silica gel in the packs is spent by the time you get around to using them. It needs dehydrated again before use. As long as the pack isn't meltable plastic, you should be able to dry them out in a 200-250 degree oven for a few hours. The cloth and paper packs handle the heat just fine. But some of the plastic ones melt.

If you just take them out of something and reuse them without dehydrated them, they are of no benefit.
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one problem the oxygen in the powder is bound up to form an oxydizer. in good old fashioned gun powder this was KNO3. you really do not need to worry about o2 absorbers
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I store mine in a shoe box. I do worry about the BBs getting corrosion on them.


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I use .50 cal cans for common calibers and 30 cal cans for not so common calibers. I toss an moisture absorber in each. They're stackable, easy to label,easy to carry, and easy to rotate.
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Ammo cans with the rubber seals on them. fill them up, put them in a cool dry place. Job done. Good to go at least fifty years from now.
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I use .50 cal cans for common calibers and 30 cal cans for not so common calibers. I toss an oxygen absorber in each. They're stackable, easy to label,easy to carry, and easy to rotate.
O2 absorbers for ammo storage are kind of a waste. O2 is not the enemy of ammo storage. Heat and moisture are. In fact, O2 absorbers release moisture as they work. So that's like fighting an enemy that doesn't exist, while feeding one that does.
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I have various caches ..... use ammo boxes for some ..... but I don't always like being that obvious ...... I have an ammo cache mixed in with my food bucket preps
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Uh, powder contains it's own oxygen and doesn't require any from the air. In fact, some reloading formulas call for a compressed powder charge where there's no air space left at all.

But that's neither here nor there. O2 isn't the enemy of ammo storage. Temperature extremes and liquid moisture is. As long as it's kept dry and stored in relatively cool conditions it lasts for decades.

Vacuum sealing does nothing to preserve it either, and may be detrimental. Although sealing it in vacuum bags without a vacuum is a good way to keep it waterproof and make your own battle packs.

Storing it in ammo cans is more than enough protection. Even in all but the most humid climates, just keeping it in it's box is good enough. I've shot commercial ammo from the '50s and '60 that had just sat around on a shelf in it's box and it was identical to newly made ammo.
Perfectly stated.
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My house just wouldn't be the same without the pinging of ammo cans from time to time...
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I am new to the game of ammo storage and I am just getting my supplies in order. Currently, I have two Flambeau 18" Zerust Dry Box that I purchased from Walmart. One contains my rifle ammo and the other my pistol ammo. I also store my ammo with a rechargeable silica gel canister that purchased from Amazon.com. The boxes are air tight and waterproof. As my supplies continue to grow, so will my collection of boxes. I just hope that my guns like the ammo that I ordered from USAAmmo so that I can really make my collection grow.
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