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Old 11-26-2010, 02:05 PM
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My apologies... .223, 1:9 twist
Who is the manufacturer of your AR15?

In some cases your chamber might actually be 5.56x45mm NATO, in which case it is safe shoot either .223 Remington or 5.56 NATO.
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Who is the manufacturer of your AR15?

In some cases your chamber might actually be 5.56x45mm NATO, in which case it is safe shoot either .223 Remington or 5.56 NATO.
its a DPMS
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its a DPMS
You might be outta luck then. DPMS makes both a .223 Remington only AR15 and a 5.56mm/.223 Remington AR15.

Check the barrel. It will tell you for sure.

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As far as ammunition goes, PMC 55 grain .223 is good blasting ammo.
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You might be outta luck then. DPMS makes both a .223 Remington only AR15 and a 5.56mm/.223 Remington AR15.

Check the barrel. It will tell you for sure.

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As far as ammunition goes, PMC 55 grain .223 is good blasting ammo.
I'm reasonably certain that rifle has a 5.56mm chamber, but if it has a .223 chamber, you could have it reamed. DPMS doesn't chome line most of their barrels anyway, so you're not losing anything. Have someone who knows how ream out the chamber to 5.56mm, and you can load some of the longer rounds.

In fact, knowing DPMS, you probably have a .223 chamber labeled as a 5.56mm, so I'd have it reamed anyway.
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kev ive hunted deer and hog in east texas for decades and i can kill your deer with a rock all day long. hogs are another thing we used dogs and a knife or sks
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At night I sleep with an AR-15 next to my bed. It has a 30 round magazine with 10 rounds in it.

After a natural disaster - like a hurricane - I have my AR-15 close at hand, and if I have to drive somewhere, its in my truck. When hurricane Ike and Rita passed through, the AR15 was my primary on hand weapon.

When I go hunting, I take something in the 7mm or 30 caliber range.
Sorry to bring back an old thread, but I had a question? What is the reason only to have 10 rounds in the magazine? Is it to maintain the integrity of the magazine? Is it PR if it should become necessary to use it some dark night? Thanks of the info, sorry if it is a rudimentary question.
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I was wondering about that too and I'm sure Kev has a good answer.

You do hear of downloading to 28 or 29 rounds for reliability. One thing for sure, the AR would be about 3/4 of a pound lighter with only 10 rounds. And the odds of ever needing more than 10rds is very unlikely. For that reason and because it's more managable I usually have a 20rd mag in mine.
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I'm reasonably certain that rifle has a 5.56mm chamber, but if it has a .223 chamber, you could have it reamed. DPMS doesn't chome line most of their barrels anyway, so you're not losing anything. Have someone who knows how ream out the chamber to 5.56mm, and you can load some of the longer rounds.

In fact, knowing DPMS, you probably have a .223 chamber labeled as a 5.56mm, so I'd have it reamed anyway.
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I was wondering about that too and I'm sure Kev has a good answer.

You do hear of downloading to 28 or 29 rounds for reliability. One thing for sure, the AR would be about 3/4 of a pound lighter with only 10 rounds. And the odds of ever needing more than 10rds is very unlikely. For that reason and because it's more managable I usually have a 20rd mag in mine.
With GI mags I only load 27, Pmags and Lancers are gtg with 30.
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This article is presented as my "opinion" and should not be considered as scientific fact. I know this topic has been covered a bunch of times, I figure 1 more thread aint gonna hunt.

Is the AR-15 a good survival rifle? The simple answer is, “it depends.” The M16 223/5.56mm was original developed as a replacement for the M14 and the 308. The mindset was to develop a lighter rifle and lighter ammo so that soldiers could carry the rifle further and carry more ammo. The drawback, instead of shooting a 150 or 180 grain bullet like the 308 Winchester / 7.62 NATO, the 223 / 5.56mm shot a 55 grain bullet.



Lets talk about some of the pluses and negatives of the 223/5.56mm:

1. To compensate for the smaller bullet diameter and lighter weight, the 55 grain 5.56mm is supposed to “tumble” after it hits flesh. The “tumbling” creates wounds and does quit a bit of damage to flesh.

I see a couple of issues with the “tumble” theory:

How does the bullet know whether its hitting a wall and should punch through, or flesh and tumble? When the bullet is made, is it granted with magical powers that tells it what the bullet is about to hit, and whether it should tumble or not?

All phun aside, the 223/5.56mm has problems getting through walls. Once the bullet hits something, and it tries to tumble, it loses its energy.

This is one of the big drawbacks to the 223/5.56mm, it relies on the “tumbling” effect to do its damage. But sometimes the tumbling can also be the bullets downfall – like when it needs to punch through something instead of tumble.

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2. .308 is larger then .223 – this is a mathematical certainty that will never change. All things aside, the 308 will punch a larger hole, and will penetrate solid material better then the 223. Even when compared to the 30-30, the .308 bullet has a mathematical certainty of creating a larger hole then the .223 / 5.56mm.

3. On the plus side when compared to a .308 rifle, the 223 / 5.56mm ammunition is lighter, more compact, and sometimes cheaper.

4. Since the 5.56mm is used by militarys all over the world, sometimes you can find good deals on 5.56mm – like being able to buy the ammo in a sealed can. Which makes long term storage easy. Just buy a couple of the sardine cans of 5.56mm, and store them at your bug out location.

5. The 223 / 5.56mm is super accurate.

6. The 223 / 5.56mm has a low recoil, which makes it a great choice for people learning how to shoot, and small framed individuals. When a 105 pound 16 year old girl shoots an AR-15, its not going to dot her eye or knock her on her butt.

7. Accessories – the AR-15 and Mini-14 family of rifles has more accessories then you can shake a stick at. Whether its a new stock, scope, flash suppressor, magazines,,,,,, you should be able to find just about anything you want.

8. Replacement parts – AR-15 parts are easy to find. Go to just about any gun show with $200 and you should be able to get all the replacement firing pins and springs that could ever want or need.

9. Ammo can be cheap – sometimes there are sales on wolf or monarch amm0. I remember a couple of years ago Academy sports and outdoors having Monarch 223 at $2.79 for a box of 20. Except for the 22 long rifle, its going to difficult to beat those kinds of prices. But over the past few years 223 has gone up to the $6 – $7 for 20 rounds price range. Sometimes companies like Cheaper than Dirt will have sales.

10. The use of aluminum and plastics in the rifles construction has helped to keep the overall weight of the AR-15 down.
Whitetail deer taken with a .270

Hunting with the 223 / 5.56mm AR15 or Mini-14



The deer was taken with a Weatherby Vanguard chambered in .270.

This is where the big debate is – is the 223/5.56mm big enough to take deer sized game in a humane manner. The answer will vary depending on “who” you talk to. I know of lots of people who use a 223 for deer, but I personally would not. Then there are the people who profess that no, you should never use a 223/5.56mm on deer sized game.

My personal opinion, hunting deer with a .223 diameter bullet is like driving the family mini-van or SUV in the Indie 500. Sure, the SUV, car, truck, or mini-van can drive on the track, but its not going to be able to keep up with a race car. Would you rather drive a car that tops out at 100 miles per hour, or a race car that can go over 200 miles per hour? Do you want to punch a small hole or a big hole?

On top of the bullet diameter, what are you hunting? Is it deer, wild hog, bear, moose, elk,,,,,? There is an old saying – “use the right gun for the job.”

This is just my personal opinion, but in a survival situation where I was having to hunt for food, I would want a rifle that going to knock whatever I shoot down. Calibers in that group include the 30-30, 270, 280, 308 and the 30-06. In a SHTF / TEOTWAWKI situation, one of the worst things that can happen, is to see something while hunting and not have a big enough rifle to take it down. Where you might see a 200+ pound hog that could feed a family for several days, the 223 does not take the animal down, and it runs off to die from infection a few days later. Its a lose-lose situation. The hog dies and only the worms and buzzards get a meal out of it, and your family goes hungry.
I have killed both deer and hogs with the 5.56 (AR15 and an SU16). Took one deer with a 55gr JHP. It went straight down. Killed a deer w/a .220 swift once (my first deer) 200 yds away across a lake. Killed deer and hogs w/an SKS and M67 FMJ. Killed (assassinated?) cattle w/a .Marlin model 60 22lr. Killed a large hog about ten years ago w/a .380, I was in a low tree, hog walked directly under me and I shot it in the base of the skull at near point blank range. Had to follow up with two more shots to finish the job. I've seen someone shoot a small whitetail with a .30-06 and it ran off never to be found. I seen video of Eskimos killing polar bears with an AR. I seen a video of a fellow who killed a big hog with a Gamo air rifle. It's all about shot placement. The point being that small calibers are effective if you are.

A 5.56 is a fine survival caliber as is the 7.62X39. My two top choices for general SHTF purposes. The downside to the 7.62X39 Yugo M67 FMJ is that it can tear up alot of meat if shot improperly, just means you have less steaks and more sausage or burger .
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