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Old 09-24-2010, 02:55 AM
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Picture is pure win imo...

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If they really cared about America where have they been for so many years? They have been standing there with there hands out stealing our money and selling us out. They are no better. Get rid of all the theifs.
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Just remember one thing before crucifying all Republicans.... We would have lost our second amendment rights long ago, along with most of our hunting rights too...
So, are they political hacks? Yes.... But at least they have protected some of our most cherished rights while lining their pockets. That's more than any Dem can say!
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Just remember one thing before crucifying all Republicans.... We would have lost our second amendment rights long ago, along with most of our hunting rights too...
So, are they political hacks? Yes.... But at least they have protected some of our most cherished rights while lining their pockets. That's more than any Dem can say!
While I agree with your statement above, let's not run hand in hand with the Republicans, they also gave a ton of money to the Banks and screwed the rest of us.

Vote independent. The Republitards and Demotards are just two different hands of the same body.
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While I agree with your statement above, let's not run hand in hand with the Republicans, they also gave a ton of money to the Banks and screwed the rest of us.

Vote independent. The Republitards and Demotards are just two different hands of the same body.
I feel the same way. I think we have been sold out so many times by the party lines. Forget supporting a party Democrat or Republican. We need to look at every member of leadership, their voting record, and vote them up or down based on how they represent this country. If they voted to bail out AIG then they sold us out. Period whichever side they claim.

When we go to elect, we need to know if they are for smaller government, free markets, constitutional ideals. If they say they are, then we vote them up or down based on how true they are to those promises.

It might take some time, but eventually we will have shot at getting our country back.
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Before jumping on the "Pledge to America" because of what someone read into it, why don't you read it yourself? Only sheeple take the interpretation of someone else and comment about it without reading the original.

"Health care should be accessible for all"... "We will expand state high-risk pools"... "We will make it illegal for an insurance company to deny coverage... to someone with prior coverage on the basis of a pre-existing condition, eliminate annual and lifetime spending caps..."

Try to find that quote for me in the actual "Pledge to America"...it simply isn't there.
I suppose the author COUNTED on no one actually reading it for themselves, that they'd just be sheeple like always. I guess we don't deserve the government we want if we keep doing stuff like that. Always go to the original source...that's the only way to get the truth about anything you read.

And there have been no negative comments from tea partiers themselves that I've seen. There have been complaints from others that it is too general, but it wasn't MEANT to be anything except a guideline of what they intend to do.

No matter what happens, the Republicans cannot repeal anything at all as long as Obama is president. Even if they won every single seat up for election, which they won't, there arn't enough senate seats up for election this year to overcome a presidential veto. All they can possibly do is defund Obamacare and some other programs until such time as there is a new president or until they can manage to get a 2/3 majority to override a veto. This could happen in 2012 but not this year. Defunding it effectively kills it but doesn't take the law off the books.

Why didn't they do it before? Because the American people are different now than before, that's why. We acted like their subjects instead of their bosses and let congress do just whatever they wanted to do. The Democrats, with a few exceptions, still don't care, the Republicans care what the people want. We just haven't told them who's boss before or what we wanted. The Republicans will be different because the people are different. Simple as that. And, yes, there are Republicans we don't want there, but we'll take care of them too.

Vote for the independents? Like the two there now who vote consistently with the Democrats? Or like Charlie Crist? The independents arn't any better.

You're right...vote for the candidate. But I challenge you to find many Democrats who will protect our liberties.
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Oh, and this IS in this Pledge:
“Require each bill moving through Congress to include a clause citing the specific constitutional authority upon which the bill is justified.”

Good start.
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Just remember one thing before crucifying all Republicans.... We would have lost our second amendment rights long ago, along with most of our hunting rights too...
So, are they political hacks? Yes.... But at least they have protected some of our most cherished rights while lining their pockets. That's more than any Dem can say!
I agree, the gop was just infiltrated by a slightly different flavor of the same globalism virus that killed the democrats.
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yeah they think they use the tea party.this just the begging of the end for both partys
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It's just a list of campaign promises and nothing more. We all know how those promises work out.

I was looking for something more long term, not put us in power and see what happens.

I think if they get in and have no tangible plans some heads are gonna roll.
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The Republocrats arent one cent different than the Democants. You literally have to look at each individual and their record. Another thing , if they are so damned eager to come up with a document that will solve all our woes, we already have two such documents on hand , The Declaration of Independence and The Constitution of the United States of America.
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As a whole the Republican Party of today is a lot different than the one of a year ago, or ten years ago. The class of the 1994 Contract With America started out fairly well but lost their way along the road as there were simply not enough "true believers" and the RINOs still had effective control.

Thankfully rather than starting a third party which would have just kept the Libs in power most TEA partiers joined the GOP and in doing so transformed it. Many RINOs have been booted out or have left with more yet to go.

This Pledge does not go far enough, although it's a start.

Here's great analysis of it:

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Thursday, September 23rd at 9:30AM EDT

I want Republicans to win.

But not just for the sake of it. It is not enough simply to get power. Republicans must demonstrate that they actually understand why they
were sent home in 2006 and 2008, and that they are 100% committed to changing the direction of Washington now that America seems poised to
give them another chance. Fail to do that and the American people will send them home again.

Yesterday’s much anticipated “Pledge to America” represents a glimpse into how Republicans plan to govern, and simply put, it’s a pledge to nowhere.

At a time when America needs a bold, simple, fresh plan for putting America on the path to fiscal and constitutional sanity - we get instead
an almost 8000 word term paper of inside-the-beltway regurgitation that lacks the one thing the American people seem to be dying to have…
actual leadership. Harsh? Hardly.

1. The Pledge fails to address the single greatest threat to our nation’s long term fiscal health - the fact that we have precisely $0 set aside for the more than $106 trillion in unfunded liabilities staring us in the face for social security, medicare and medicaid. Instead, we get more of the same political rhetoric about seniors standing to lose Medicare because of Obamacare. MEDICARE IS BANKRUPT. SOCIAL SECURITY IS BANKRUPT. FOR GOODNESS SAKE, MAN UP AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

2. The Pledge blatantly fails to even mention earmarks, much less calling for a ban on them. The issue here isn’t about how much money will save. The issue is about Congressional arrogance - and their naked addiction to using your tax dollars to try to buy off your votes back home.

3. The Pledge offers no significant, concrete plan to reduce spending such as a Balanced Budget Amendment or a Spending Limit Amendment, relying instead on gimmicks like weekly votes on spending cuts and hiring freezes, as well as nebulous promises to cap spending.

4. And perhaps most troubling of all, the Pledge adopts the nonsensical “repeal and replace” mantra for Obamacare - offering as replacement yet more federal government mandates regarding pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps on benefits, which begs the question: which mandates are unconstitutional and which ones are not, GOP? And, STOP WITH THE MANDATES. STOP IT. MANDATING THAT INSURERS COVER PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS IS JUST AS BAD AS THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE ON ITS FACE - BUT WORSE, YOU IDIOTS, IT WILL LEAD TO AN INDIVIDUAL MANDATE
BECAUSE YOU CANNOT COVER THE ALREADY SICK WITHOUT MANDATING THAT THE HEALTHY PARTICIPATE. JUST STOP IT.

In one asinine move, the GOP House leadership demonstrated that it is more interested in votes than in changing Washington and that it has learned nothing. In fact, all you need to know is that the ever-inspiring and bold David Frum wrote yesterday about the Pledge, “GOP to Tea
Party: Your Votes Yes, Your Ideas No.” Maybe if the self-dubbed “Young Guns” were focused on leading by virtue of the power given them in the Constitution rather than self promotion, they would realize that words are not enough. But let’s take a look, anyway.

The Pledge is broken into five sections. Let’s go through them.

1. A Plan to Create Jobs, End Economic Uncertainty and Make America More Competitive In this section, you would think there would be something bold. Instead we get a promise to prevent massive tax increases by making all
current tax rates permanent (i.e. the Bush tax-cuts), a mediocre small business tax deduction, an odd plan to require large-impact regulations to get Congressional approval and a promise to end burdensome regulations imposed by Obamacare.

All fine, but pretty weak. How about reducing corporate tax rates to even the level of our competition in other countries? How about cutting
or eliminating the Capital Gains tax? How about massively simplifying the tax code by adopting a flat or FAIR tax? How about picking 100 burdensome regulations to end within the first 100 days rather than some nebulous, difficult-to-carry-out promise to stop future regulation?

Congress has given the Executive branch the power to carry out most regulations - TAKE IT AWAY, and be specific.

2. A Plan to End Out-of-Control Spending and Reduce the Size of Government Laudable goal. Weak plan.

First observation: no mention of a Balanced Budget Amendment, a Spending Limit Amendment or any other concrete proposal to end the madness in
Washington.

Second observation: no mention of earmarks. Why? Because the politicians in Washington view them as the source of their power and ability to buy votes back home. Sure, they hide behind their “right” to spend money instead of a bureaucrat, but the reality is that Dr. Coburn is right when he calls earmarks the “gateway drug to spending.” After all the Tea Party backlash, these guys couldn’t even mention earmarks.

Third observation: more gimmicks. Weekly votes on spending cuts? Non-security hiring freeze? Really? The reality is that the actual employed
federal work force has been the same size since World War II, and it’s composition is driven heavily by “security” employees in DoD and DHS.

This would do nothing to curtail the millions of people on the government dole as contractors - where the real growth has occurred, as well as at state bureaucracies where compliance for federal mandates must occur (e.g. Medicaid). Finally, the number of employees are a symptom of
largesse - they aren’t the problem. The problem starts in Congress.

Finally, I again note that there is no mention of actually reforming Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid - other than lip service to “a
full accounting” of them. $106 Trillion in unfunded liabilities. I repeat, $106 TRILLION IN UNFUNDED LIABILITIES - MORE THAN THE TOTAL
ECONOMIC OUTPUT OF THE WHOLE WORLD - MULTIPLE TIMES OVER.

3. A Plan to Repeal and Replace Obamacare

First - just repeal it, and if you can’t repeal it… de-fund it. Period. Stop babbling about “replacing.” I don’t want the federal government to “replace” Obamacare. I want the federal government to get out of the health care business and to take the minimal steps necessary to free up competition.

Second - STOP WITH THE MANDATES. STOP IT. STOP IT. MANDATING THAT INSURERS COVER PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS IS JUST AS BAD AS THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE ON ITS FACE - BUT WORSE, YOU IDIOTS, IT WILL LEAD TO AN INDIVIDUAL MANDATE BECAUSE YOU CANNOT COVER THE ALREADY SICK WITHOUT MANDATING THAT THE HEALTHY PARTICIPATE. JUST STOP IT. And mandating a prohibition of caps on lifetime benefits is just as silly.

Third - Again on mandates - so you think its unconstitutional for the federal government to require an individual to buy insurance, but it’s
perfectly ok to require that private companies must insure someone? Besides, see the above point - we’ll get individual mandates anyway.

Fourth - medical liability reform isn’t a federal issue. States that are adopting it are succeeding. States that aren’t are not. People are moving from the latter to the former. Let it be.

Fifth - I don’t want the federal government to have anything to do with the doctor-patient relationship.

Sixth - Yes, do not fund ********s. And yes, HSA’s are good.

4. A Plan to Reform Congress and to Restore Trust

First - Reading the bill is a good pledge. But it should be a longer period, and you have to include amendments and “substitutes,” which I am willing to bet you will quickly forget. You leadership folks didn’t exactly give the rest of your conference a full 3 days to review this document, did you? And, how about by starting with a promise to reduce the number of bills introduced. Do you really need to introduce 6500 bills?

Second - Adhere to the Constitution. Sure. But do you need to pledge to do that? It’s your job, and uh - you took an oath to do it. Besides - any measure you pass can simply offer up the Commerce Clause and the various other powers always abused to justify Congressional action.

Justifying it isn’t the problem. Actually adhering to the Constitution is the problem.

5. A Plan to Keep Our Nation Secure at Broad and at Home

I am not going to go through this. But where is any mention of reviving our dwindling defense spending? I am not talking about war spending,

I am talking about the future of our military. We were spending almost 1/3 of our GDP on defense at the end of World War II. Today, we still spend less than 5%. We are weakening our military in the long run. FIX IT.

I also notice there is no mention of immigration - only the border.

Most of the other stuff is fine - but the reality is that promises are no good when it comes to these issues. Americans want to see action - a strong military, a secure border (actually secure - not “operational control,” whatever that means) and dead terrorists - not terrorists in our back yard.

Get it done.

*********

Americans wants common sense action. They don’t need 8000 words of inside-the-beltway babble. You may well have one shot, GOP, to get this
right. This was not a good start.
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So glad, that SO many here...are waking up.

Still got the SAME few, that somehow "think" the "R's" are somehow different.
Screw history, Screw reality.....


Wake up! This BS "pledge/contract/promise" (or whatever they want to call it this cycle) is meant to "fool" you into thinking the "other" party is going to "change" things.
HOW MANY TIMES IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR THE FEW OF YOU TO WAKE UP!!!!!!




This says it all....
As he does best, Stewart worked the clips and showed side by side comparisons of 2010 Republicans pledging to do the same things as those of the last 20 years.



http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/th...rom-the-pledge





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Oh, and this IS in this Pledge:
“Require each bill moving through Congress to include a clause citing the specific constitutional authority upon which the bill is justified.”

Good start.
Oh yes.....from the SAME idiots that gave us wiretapping and the destruction of the FOURTH AMENDMENT. The SAME idiots that gave us the BUSH bailouts? Is that part of that "Constitution" thingy? How many times ARE you going to fall for another "promise", another "contract for America", another "pledge".




Really, it's in the "pledge".... but I, and MOST every one else here, has REALITY in the "face"....

Don't be so gullible. Some of you really need to figure this out....






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Ok we don't vote for the dems and we don't vote for the repubs. This is reality now. Not some fantasy movie or Stewart stupid rant.

Tell us who, in all practicality should we vote for. SPECIFICALLY.

The list of who will be filling all 545 seats will be:





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Ok we don't vote for the dems and we don't vote for the repubs. This is reality now. Not some fantasy movie or Stewart stupid rant.

Tell us who, in all practicality should we vote for. SPECIFICALLY.

The list of who will be filling all 545 seats will be:
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Are you denying the Steward vid?
You need to deal with the REALITY of that first and foremost. Being a smartass and NOT seeing where our "party" is pledgin' and promisin' and contractin' with America time and time and time again, is the point.


Voting? Who's going to change anything with a "vote"? HAA! You must think I believe in the "vote" for some "change"?



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Yes, that's exactly the point. There's no one (or just a very few.) Not voting will be far worse than voting for some who have only taken a little baby step. (And there are many Republican candidates who will take giant steps.)

One problem after 1994 was that the people did not hold their feet to the fire. It remains to be seen if the TEA party enthusiasm will continue to 2012 and beyond. If it continues, the 2012 pledge could be much better than this one. And the 2014 after that. Rome was not built in a day. It took 80 years to create this mess and it will take decades to correct it.

I guess there are some here who think our situation can only be corrected by a SHTF event, and some who may even welcome it. If so, please think long and hard. No matter how well you are prepared, I think your lives would be more difficult if TSHTF, and for many less well prepared, fatal or disastrous.
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Yes, that's exactly the point. There's no one (or just a very few.) Not voting will be far worse than voting for some who have only taken a little baby step. (And there are many Republican candidates who will take giant steps.)

One problem after 1994 was that the people did not hold their feet to the fire. It remains to be seen if the TEA party enthusiasm will continue to 2012 and beyond. If it continues, the 2012 pledge could be much better than this one. And the 2014 after that. Rome was not built in a day. It took 80 years to create this mess and it will take decades to correct it.

I guess there are some here who think our situation can only be corrected by a SHTF event, and some who may even welcome it. If so, please think long and hard. No matter how well you are prepared, I think your lives would be more difficult if TSHTF, and for many less well prepared, fatal or disastrous.

Agreed. I'll take the TEA party "pledge", as long as it doesn't have the SAME idiots like Boehner, Spence, McConnell, Palin, et cetera.... that got us here.


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Palin did not get us here. If there's any politician with national stature that's fought the establishment, she's the one.

Many of the candidates will do more than sign a pledge. They will walk the walk.

It is up to us to vet them and work hard for those we vet.

I am working for a Congressional candidate in the Massachusetts 10th (Jeff Perry). He is a friend of Mitt Romney, but he was one of 2 out of 200 in the Mass legislature to vote against Romneycare (Obamacarelite). I am convinced he will remain a true conservative even once he gets to DC.

We cannot replace the House or Senate leadership until we have the votes of him and others like him.
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