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Old 09-20-2010, 09:28 AM
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Arwe submachine guns legal in America? If so, how does one go about getting one?
Old 09-20-2010, 09:38 AM
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Yes it is very very expensive, and it may not be legal in your state. I know you may not want to talk about it, but why are you interested. The reason I ask is very few actual uses come from full auto for the single person, and really only hold value to those who are in a squad or larger sized group. If you have money to burn and want one for fun then you can just go to a dealer who specializes in machineguns and most will walk you through everything for free just to make the sale.
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If you live in a full-auto friendly state just waltz into the nearest gun store which sells full auto firearms (not all gunstores do-special licensing required.) plunk down yer money, ( pistol calibersub-guns start around 3,500, rifle caliber F/A's begin upwards of 7,500, belt fed's closer to 20K. - Prices vary widely )

Pay for the firearm, fill out a "Form 4" and wait for federal approval.

Current wait time is roughly 4 months.

Don't even think of asking how to convert a semi-auto into a full-auto, that's a federal conspiracy charge. Yes even on the interwebz.
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Yes it is very very expensive, and it may not be legal in your state. I know you may not want to talk about it, but why are you interested. The reason I ask is very few actual uses come from full auto for the single person, and really only hold value to those who are in a squad or larger sized group. If you have money to burn and want one for fun then you can just go to a dealer who specializes in machineguns and most will walk you through everything for free just to make the sale.
I don't think its a waste of money. First the pool of weapons gets smaller every year that one of the many reasons the price is high. The value climbs every year. Back in the 70's 80's the m9-11or macs sold for about 400-500 dollars if my memory serves me. now a cobray m9-11 about 3000 4000 retail pretty good climb.
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Don't even think of asking how to convert a semi-auto into a full-auto, that's a federal conspiracy charge. Yes even on the interwebz.
Just so everyone knows....

It's also a serious violation of forum rules and will get a person banned for a really, really, really, really long time..... possible longer than their jail time....
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I more than doubled my money in three years on an HK MP5 and silencer. I have a number of acquaintances that invest in NFA weapons, and basically make a living at it. Like real estate, there isn't much new being made!

Heres some not too light reading on the subject.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0020.htm

it might be easier to answer questions generated from reading that.

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Here in Texas they are. You got the money? You got the time to wait for the BATFE (I believe 3-5 months?) Go for it. Personally I've no use for one. Suppression is what they are used for. I don't see myself in a scenario like that because I would apply the avoidance factor to prevent anything like that from coming to fruition. The spray and pray factor/principle just does not seem too realistic in SHTF/post SHTF if one does it right. Plus.....I don't have that kind of cash and shot placement to me is far more effective, God forbid it ever comes to that.
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If I ever win the Lottery one of the first things I'll buy is an M2 .50cal.
Here in Vermont we can own Machineguns, but we cannot have Suppressors. The Suppressor I could afford, and have fun with on my 10-22. The Machineguns are way out of my current financial means.
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Typically, full auto stuff is a great investment. Since there is such a limited supply, the demand is high. Especially for the really cool historical stuff, like BAR's and Thompsons. A few months back in Shotgun News they had a great article on the BAR, and the author stated that the one he owns is valued at $35,000!!
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Maybe I'm just paranoid....

But this doesn't seem like baiting??
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But this doesn't seem like baiting??
Baiting for what?
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Yep, good financial investments if you can afford it... but not practical for anything in a survival situation. You can empty your entire mag in a few seconds and not hit your target more than you would have with a semi-auto and a couple of rounds.

And if you can afford to practice with it, you can definitely afford the gun. You'll be spending $20 bucks worth of ammo in about 2 seconds. A shotgun full of 00buck can clear a room just as quick for about few thousand$$ less.
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You got that right, and about as accurate as well.
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Yep, good financial investments if you can afford it... but not practical for anything in a survival situation. You can empty your entire mag in a few seconds and not hit your target more than you would have with a semi-auto and a couple of rounds.

And if you can afford to practice with it, you can definitely afford the gun. You'll be spending $20 bucks worth of ammo in about 2 seconds. A shotgun full of 00buck can clear a room just as quick for about few thousand$$ less.
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have to get a class three permit . in states that allow them .google knob creek ky.
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But this doesn't seem like baiting??
Yeah, Baiting for what? Legally owned Machine Guns?
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They are fairly common around here.
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Only if used on siths.

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Baiting for what?
Entrapment? BATFE sting? Some 21 Jumpstreet style craziness? I dunno...the question didn't feel right...
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If you live in a full-auto friendly state just waltz into the nearest gun store which sells full auto firearms (not all gunstores do-special licensing required.) plunk down yer money, ( pistol calibersub-guns start around 3,500, rifle caliber F/A's begin upwards of 7,500, belt fed's closer to 20K. - Prices vary widely )

Pay for the firearm, fill out a "Form 4" and wait for federal approval.

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Don't even think of asking how to convert a semi-auto into a full-auto, that's a federal conspiracy charge. Yes even on the interwebz.
I will also add that in Arkansas, at least, the Sheriff has to sign off on this also; some to be PC refuse to do so; like in my county. One way, legal I will add, around this is to create a NFA Trust by way of an attorney who is experienced in this.

I will have to go that route even for a SBR I'm thinking of making out of a Draco/AK Pistol.

To add Yes all NFA rules wil be applied in my case that's what a Trust Attorney is for.
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