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Old 01-10-2011, 10:47 AM
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amazing. i agree the cost is not unreasonable. 175000 is a moderately priced house where i live.

seems you have most everything figured out. i might have missed it but are you in engineering or construction of some sort. you said you wanted to use building industrially also. in what way?

and i agree both ways as far as above/underground goes. in my head i would have a ranch style home with concrete basement and concrete first floor. best of both worlds i guess.

but great job. nice to see someone other than the government building like this.
No I am not in engineering or construction but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express once.

Back many moons ago when dinosaurs roamed and I was in high school I took residential drafting so I was able to use those skills for the basics. As for the beams and other structural aspects that I had questions with after I did the design work I submitted the beams and other important structural items to engineers who are relatives of relatives and they looked at them for free and sent me approvals or recommendations which later cost me a steak dinner and a few beers but it was worth it.

As for what the use will be, on the first floor will be a small convenience / grocery store and a small area for a restaurant take out.

I am estimating the cost to be around $175,000,00 but it might go over budget (although I don't have a budget per say)
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175000??? You couldn't even buy a cardboard box to live in for that much where I come from!!!!
If youíre in San Francisco then yea just the land prices will set you back a million bucks in a decent area, but the St. Andres fault line under SF would be a major concern for me. I already owned the land that this project is sitting one so that was also an advantage

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oS true I used to work 2 weeks a month in SF was going to buy a house as an investment. Sixteen years ago double would have gotten you a TYVEC'ed cardboard box.. maybe.

Well a cardboard box is better than nothing


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IMHO this is doable for most anyone who has the credit to buy a house
I have been working on this actually paying cash as I go without any loans so everything you see is 100% paid for.

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great work Von Helman and for 175K did you do all the work yourself
I donít do all the work myself, I have a guy who works for me and he does what I ask of him and when I need additional day labors we use other family members such as cousins or nephews


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Von Helman, You should get into the contracting business. A lot of people would love to buy a house as sturdy as this. I can only imagine the peace of mind you must have. Great work!
Maybe that might be my calling but I really do not have any interest in contracting work all over the place dealing with people.

I live a rather easy laid back life on a nice large ranch and enjoy my lazy days and wish to keep them that way for the most part. You can see the ranch thread here at "The Ranch"
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Update

I know many here have been waiting on an update and my apologies from not posting any recent updates

Here is where we are so far and I think this will be the last update for a while as I am trying to do a few things and I donít want to post too many images of supplies and other materials that will be moved into the bunker for OSPEC reasons, which most here can understand and respect

I will however post images I think that can be posted without blowing too much OPSEC


BTW Here is the front patio hand railing and posts finished and installed with the marble tops in place






What we did was using wood we created the forms for the cement and a ceiling this tall required a lot of wood poles to hold the woodwork up and to support the weight of the cement.






Once the wood framing is secured and in place you start to assemble the rebar on top

of it where it will all work to support and help reinforce the cement and make it stronger.

The orange and black hoses are electrical cables that wires run through to the various electrical outlets or light fixtures





In this image you see the 8inch lip form the previous pour where the new pour will meet up. I did this so there would be a breaking point in the cement in the event of a large earthquake or settling but the place will still not fall apart but rather crack in specific places where it will be safe.





Here is another area that was poured and you can see the amount of rebar that was used and the black electrical hose with electrical wires that will be submerged in the cement. Those wires in that particular black hose will got o a light fixture





Using ďusedĒ motor oil from our recent oil changes in vehicles, the wood forms are coated with this recycled motor oil after the forms are all set in place and ready to go. The actual wood then absorbs the oil not only protecting the wood but preventing the cement from sticking to the wood




Then the cement is poured


Once the cement has cured (Hardened) which in this case took 30 days because of the span and thickness the forms are then simply removed one section working one end to the other allowing the boards to lower themselves with gravity.

Itís still a little dangerous as the nails in the boards and them falling can be an issue but there really isnít another way to do it with so much wood and poles being used.







The Ceiling / 2nd floor is 7 inches thick solid cement


We then poured the floor inside in sections as the footers of this place are so large it prevented us from doing a simple slab pour.



Then we basically moved a few items in and are awaiting the interior finish out details which will be plastering he walls to remove the cement look and feel and laying some nice tile down on the floor



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Dear God Almighty...I need to go clean myself up after looking at that prepping porn.
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So is this gonna work when all that radiation from Japan hits, or was it all for naught?

Great job, BTW.

We're talking with an architect next Friday about a tear down for my cottage (BOL) but regretfully my wife will not go for something even close to this.
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So is this gonna work when all that radiation from Japan hits, or was it all for naught?

Great job, BTW.

We're talking with an architect next Friday about a tear down for my cottage (BOL) but regretfully my wife will not go for something even close to this.
Try adding and underground cool room(cool pantry) under your new cottage. She might go for that.Kingfish
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I want a basement, but she does not. I recognize it will be a problem unless we raise it up as we are on ledge, or move it forward (because the land slopes), but actually we both want to move it back. So it's a dilemma.
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Our wives are opposites. Mine must have a basement for storage. She is the one who has pushed me to build an underground room attached to our existing basement. The uses are root cellar and storm shelter. Kingfish
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So is this gonna work when all that radiation from Japan hits, or was it all for naught?
Well in terms of radiation and my location,

Yes I think we will see repercussions of the radioactive fallout simply because we have such a large farming operation and are in what many consider the path of the fallout. Even if the radiation doesnít hit us directly in mass quantities the negative implication on our crop production for the market and the overall food shortages that are coming will take its toll.


As for the bunker itself, remember I built this thing for large earthquakes and natural disasters so when the world goes mad we should be able to lock ourselves inside and be somewhat protected.

Itís also fireproof and self contained. If we do see a spike in radiation all we can do is seal off the place with duct tape and pray like the rest of the world. After this incident I am now considering adding a nice ventilation system which should not be hard to install as I planned to eventually add one but hadnít.

We currently have 5,000 + gallons of fresh drinking water in several individual water tanks (adding more when the project is finished for a total of 10,000 gallons on hand at any given time), food for 25 people for 5 years, and the complex will sleep / house 30 people somewhat comfortably for 5 years.

The diet will be simple consisting of beans, rice, eggs, meat and a few other things but in such a crisis a plate full of beans and a glass of clean water or milk is better than a plate full of dirt and a glass of contaminated water.


The complex has a self contained sewage system and gravity fed water system for the kitchen and main bathroom and a lot of additional security features. The entire bunker is just over 6,000 sq ft which includes the auxiliary room and enclosed and protected water storage room on the roof.

The main level is 2,000 sq ft and has 14 foot ceilings so once all the supplies are in place, they will be stacked high on special commercial grade rack systems for maximum storage ability.

On the roof we have a wood / trash burning water heater system to heat water for use and several chicken coops for eggs and meat. We also have plants and spices growing in flower pots around the place that add decoration but are also sources of food or flavor.

Also in the living area the ceilings are 12 feet tall and book shelves are being installed up higher to house a large collection of books and materials to keep people occupied. Iíve bought boxes of books at the half price book store over the past few years and these books are currently in storage but are soon t o be moved into the bunker.

I have been saving cardboard boxes that I have been breaking down and storing inside a storage room and these boxes will be used for kindling to heat the water in our water heater if wood become scares or if it becomes too dangerous to get it. Cardboard boxes also store larger qualities for the area they take up. We do have gas stored on the roof in a large tank and will be using that for cooking. The large capacity natural gas tank stores enough gas for cooking for 4 years. I am looking into getting another such tank but where to put it is the issue I have. I might fabricate a rack and simply stack it above the other tank but havenít figured that out yet.

Overall this bunker project is designed to be a command center and logistics center for our family when or if the SHTF ever hits. It even has a lookout tower (Crowís nest) that is enclosed on the roof that is 50 feet off the ground.

We are also investing in wind and solar power so it should be 100% self sufficient when finished. I even plan to have a water well drilled just out the back door and add a pump station enclosed in a protected room.

Not much else I can think of to add to this place but a prayer and a few more family members.
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I want a basement, but she does not. I recognize it will be a problem unless we raise it up as we are on ledge, or move it forward (because the land slopes), but actually we both want to move it back. So it's a dilemma.
One idea is to get your wife interested in cheese making and tell her she can have a business selling cheese. Once she is all on board tell her she will need an aging cellar and presto you get your basement.

Just design it large enough to grow into with half being used for her and half for you. If you sell the idea right and she thinks its for her money making business then your as good as gold

This is of course if she like the idea of making cheese
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hehe nice .. you guys in USA are at a real disadvantage when it comes to housing - in South Africa most houses are built of brick and designed to withstand armed assailants by default - my house has 2 brick thick walls built in the old days when bricks were solid plastered with at least 2 inches of plaster in and out ... stops AK rounds in there tracks ... (had to do some plastering a while back) I have a 9 foot palisade fence with electric gate motors and electric fencing much like all the houses on my block. the house has very strong bars on all the windows ... with one in our "safe zone" which is apart from the rest of the house that can be unlocked from inside if there is fire ...
the house is divided into 2 zones .. sleeping quarters and a the one bathroom are separated from the rest of the house by a security gate that slam locks , and is locked every night. the yard is 12 000 square feet with a fish pond with 300 tilapia, and a small green house doing aquaponics ( solar and wind powered ) sweat potatoes and chickory , beans, in the front yard with the ducks and chickens, marula and date palm orchid in the back...

the yard is divided in 2 with two gates so car-jackers life is made harder, with my 2 dogs in the back yard ....

my mother in law stays in a separate out building in the back ... built in baby sitter and extra pair of hands. that can handle a gun if need be and not scared to.. old lady also has some skills with the horticulture ; )

2500 liter rain water tank and bore hole on property ... so water is all sorted ...

armed response alarm system and a few weapons on the property ( not disclosing, thats just advertising for burglars and you never know who is reading this and compiling a shopping list )

my next plans include a bigger generator and a gasifier ... and finally getting the solar geyser installed... and the paraffin freezer .... can be solar powered ...
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thank you!

Wasn't it you who had the big fallout with MtMike or am I confusing your with another person?

if it was you, glad to see you're still around
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hehe nice .. you guys in USA are at a real disadvantage when it comes to housing - in South Africa most houses are built of brick and designed to withstand armed assailants by default - my house has 2 brick thick walls built in the old days when bricks were solid plastered with at least 2 inches of plaster in and out ... stops AK rounds in there tracks ... (had to do some plastering a while back) I have a 9 foot palisade fence with electric gate motors and electric fencing much like all the houses on my block. the house has very strong bars on all the windows ... with one in our "safe zone" which is apart from the rest of the house that can be unlocked from inside if there is fire ...
the house is divided into 2 zones .. sleeping quarters and a the one bathroom are separated from the rest of the house by a security gate that slam locks , and is locked every night. the yard is 12 000 square feet with a fish pond with 300 tilapia, and a small green house doing aquaponics ( solar and wind powered ) sweat potatoes and chickory , beans, in the front yard with the ducks and chickens, marula and date palm orchid in the back...

the yard is divided in 2 with two gates so car-jackers life is made harder, with my 2 dogs in the back yard ....

my mother in law stays in a separate out building in the back ... built in baby sitter and extra pair of hands. that can handle a gun if need be and not scared to.. old lady also has some skills with the horticulture ; )

2500 liter rain water tank and bore hole on property ... so water is all sorted ...

armed response alarm system and a few weapons on the property ( not disclosing, thats just advertising for burglars and you never know who is reading this and compiling a shopping list )

my next plans include a bigger generator and a gasifier ... and finally getting the solar geyser installed... and the paraffin freezer .... can be solar powered ...
sounds interesting, I encourage you to post a thread and some pictures as I would really like to see some of what you are talking about.

I hear in your part of the woods things really are much different and you have to live with security on your mind 24 hours a day. thanks for the post
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Amazing! Thank you very much for taking the time to share all of this.


It got me thinking...maybe Jerry D. Young can cook up a 'Von Helman' story based on your home.
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sounds interesting, I encourage you to post a thread and some pictures as I would really like to see some of what you are talking about.

I hear in your part of the woods things really are much different and you have to live with security on your mind 24 hours a day. thanks for the post
inspired by yourself .. i think i just might post some when I get a chance ... but till here is an idea of the street i'm in
http://maps.google.co.za/maps?f=q&so...106.54,,0,-3.2
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sounds interesting, I encourage you to post a thread and some pictures as I would really like to see some of what you are talking about.

I hear in your part of the woods things really are much different and you have to live with security on your mind 24 hours a day. thanks for the post
Plus one on that suggestion. My favorite threads are like this one that show me what people are really doing. A tread from someone in the part of the world where secure self self sustaining home is mandatory would be very helpful for those of us who do not as of yet live in that reality
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Wow, I am very jealous.
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tl;dr - just looked at pretty pictures

It's a lovely home and I hope you enjoy it in peace and tranquility.

And this cracked me up: "Any vehicle getting over the high curb and onto the patio will cause the entire patio to collapse into a 10 foot hole that acts as the septic tank." Surprise!!
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