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Old 06-15-2010, 09:04 PM
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What happens if your state government shuts down?

State budgets are so squeezed that some governors are threatening to shut down state operations if lawmakers can't address massive spending shortfalls.

States are facing the threat of shutdowns because of the dismal condition of their finances. Governors and lawmakers have been reluctant to make deep and unappealing cuts, particularly to education, health and social services, but have also been loath to raise taxes.

"We're in an intractable fiscal situation at the state level," said Sujit CanagaRetna, senior fiscal analyst at the Council of State Governments.

If they can't come to an agreement, the governor may raise the specter of a shutdown either to kick start budget negotiations or to signal that the state cannot continue operating without a new fiscal plan.

New York came close to shuttering state services on Monday before lawmakers passed a weeklong emergency spending plan. The Empire State has been operating without an annual budget since April while officials contend with closing a $9 billion deficit.

Next door, New Jersey's governor mentioned the "s" word late last week. Gov. Chris Christie asked his cabinet on Friday to prepare for the possibility of a shutdown if he and lawmakers can't come to terms on a budget for fiscal 2011, which starts July 1.

And the governors of Kentucky and Minnesota warned of possible government shutdowns earlier this spring, but they did not come to pass.

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Each state handles a shutdown differently, but emergency and essential services are rarely cut off. The first thing to go are often state employees, said Steven Kyle, professor of applied economics at Cornell University. Tens of thousands of workers are told to stay home when states hit a financial impasse.

The same would likely happen in New York, which has not suffered a shutdown in recent memory despite having perennially late budgets. State departments, such as the motor vehicles bureau and lottery, would stop operating, experts said. Unemployment offices would close and road repairs would idle. Businesses would not be able to get licenses and parks would be shuttered.

"We would realize it," said Robert Ward, deputy director of the Rockefeller Institute of Government, based in Albany, N.Y. "If you are trying to open a business, having the state licensing bureau shut down could be a big deal to you."

New Jersey's governor, meanwhile, asked officials to determine the essential activities of their departments in case he and lawmakers don't agree on ways to cut $10 billion out of the Garden State's budget. Only a limited number of workers directly related to the "preservation and protection of life, safety and property" would remain on the job, according to Christie's memo to his cabinet.

A state shutdown would be nothing new for New Jersey residents. The government shuttered non-essential operations for eight days in 2006 before coming to a budget agreement, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Some 45,000 employees were put on unpaid leave, and Atlantic City's casinos closed for the first time ever because inspectors were not on hand.

Other states, including Michigan, Minnesota and Pennsylvania, have had partial government shutdowns in recent years. Though Michigan went dark for only four hours in 2007, highway rest stops were barricaded, traffic cameras turned off and state parks emptied. Also, fewer state troopers patrolled the highways during the brief disruption, which temporarily laid off 35,000 of the state's 53,000 workers.

One of the more dramatic shutdowns took place in Tennessee in 2002. The three-day long impasse resulted in the suspension of classes at state universities, the closing of state parks and the ceasing of road construction. However, essential operations, including highway patrols, public health and child support services and prisons, were not affected
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When I first read this, I was like well if that happens, Im SOL. And then I realize that the state would never send home (for any serious length of time) most of the prison and jail officers. They could just pay me in food/gas, maybe ammo. So Im okay.

Would suck on my off-days though. All that chaos and lawlessness to have to navigate thru. Jeesh. That would suuuuuuuuuccccckkkk.
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it wouldnt be much different here, all our tax dollars go to other parts of the state. our roads will still suck. our schools will still suck. but on the other hand i wouldnt have to pay that annoying state taxes anymore. id feel better the next time my truck gets knocked out of allignment from a pothole.
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Well not real sure what would happen here but it would probably escalate into dhaos and rioting after a few days
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Gee,a lot of really worthless state employees I know would be sitting at home wondering if they will be able to handle a real job.
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All the Illegals go home the Govt reopens no more Deficit spending...Billions upon Billions can now be spent on US citizens, everyone speaks English, has work, our Country thrives, we rebuild to prevent the leeches from coming back...
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We had that (partially) here in Minnesota a few years ago. I remember coming home from like a 4,000 mile roadtrip across North America. Got to my home state and all the wayside rests were closed. Moron governor + corrupt legislature. They like their stadiums, light rail, and other big capital projects with a billionaire's backing. But ordinary infrastructure? Forget it. Third World mentality here. No interest in infrastructure.
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Illinois budget was touch and go for a while. they came up with a soulution LOL they think they are gonna borrow all the money they are spending now... great idea. Just a matter of time before most of the states start to break down. Il already has shut a lot of parks and cut back on services, raised fees for many things. Talking about passing service fee taxes, increasing income tax by 300 percent, Increasing sales taxes,and of course our local taxes are going through the roof... but it is estimated that up to 60 percent of our citizens are on some form of gov't aid. The state administers federal aid, when the state goes down, fed checks stop. bad juju any way you look at it. the biggest joke is the multi billion dollar project just announced for "high speed rail" as a payback to the unions.. i could go on....
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Why would they barricade rest stops and vacate parks? It makes no sense. If they are shutting down, why spend time and money on setting up the barricades unless they are just making a statement.

It also makes no sense for the casinos to close in Atlantic City. They are quite capable to operating without inspectors on hand. It's not the fault of the casino employees that the state couldn't get it's act together.

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Cool, does that mean I can prorate my taxes?
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Why would they barricade rest stops and vacate parks? It makes no sense. If they are shutting down, why spend time and money on setting up the barricades unless they are just making a statement.

It also makes no sense for the casinos to close in Atlantic City. They are quite capable to operating without inspectors on hand. It's not the fault of the casino emoployees tyT the state couldn't get it's act together.
Just to prove they "Matter"...LOL
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If my state government shuts down 100%.

a) Get a 70 cents per gallon tax break

b) Save a few $1000 on State Income taxes

c) Watch colleges & Universities ran better and have a P/L sheet (sink or swim)

d) Watch the State House become a shopping mall

e) Watch state roads being turned over to counties


Life gets better...........
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Wow,that sounds exactly like California right down to the high speed rail project. I'm wondering if our politicians are putting in part time jobs in your state. If they raise my income tax even 30% no less 300% I will be a Oregon resident fast! After this year I will be generating as little taxable income as possible,spending as little as possible except for deeper stocks of long term food,tools and other real needs. I am very much looking forward to the huge black market in everything that will be created when taxes get past the breaking point. A huge oppurtunity awaits the quick thinkers!

The entitlement crowd will still keep spending on the flash & trash holding the system togehter for a while.

I'm so curious how long the clowns can keep the circus running before the tent falls on our heads.

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Illinois budget was touch and go for a while. they came up with a soulution LOL they think they are gonna borrow all the money they are spending now... great idea. Just a matter of time before most of the states start to break down. Il already has shut a lot of parks and cut back on services, raised fees for many things. Talking about passing service fee taxes, increasing income tax by 300 percent, Increasing sales taxes,and of course our local taxes are going through the roof... but it is estimated that up to 60 percent of our citizens are on some form of gov't aid. The state administers federal aid, when the state goes down, fed checks stop. bad juju any way you look at it. the biggest joke is the multi billion dollar project just announced for "high speed rail" as a payback to the unions.. i could go on....
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I guess because they require staffing and aren't considered 'essential services' like the state highway patrol, etc.

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Why would they barricade rest stops and vacate parks? It makes no sense. If they are shutting down, why spend time and money on setting up the barricades unless they are just making a statement.

It also makes no sense for the casinos to close in Atlantic City. They are quite capable to operating without inspectors on hand. It's not the fault of the casino employees that the state couldn't get it's act together.
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the first thing these a-holes go for is the visible stuff - the pet programs. It's the same with every school budget vote, every town tax vote, and so forth. The first thing they do is instantly shut down after-school sports. If the uniforms were already bought, and the gear was paid for, and the only thing you needed to do was get the kids to the games - then why would that program suddenly be on the block?
Because firing some fat-assed tenured witch paid to ride a desk and babysit malcontents for 80 minutes a day isn't nearly as flashy as cutting the football program.
Or in this case, we'll shut down the state rest stops and parks.
I live in NY, and they're batting this idea around right now, as if it's supposed to scare us.
Well NY, I say PROCEED. Shut it all down. I already pay for my water and power, I can transport my own trash, and the roads won't need to be plowed for a few months. My fire company is volunteer, and if the county sheriff is busy I can wait. Shut it down. I think the greatest fear these idiots have is that some of the sheeple will realize that a gate to hell didn't open up in their lawn because garbage collection was late, and that shutting down or laying off State employees might be the right thing to do.

So, they'll dither another few days or weeks and pass their interim cuts, and pander to their special interest lobbyists for a bigger slice of the pie - and then they'll approve a budget with teh same fat in it that we had last year. They can't afford to do anything else, politically.
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I guess because they require staffing and aren't considered 'essential services' like the state highway patrol, etc.
They only need staffing for protection.. LOL

Have you ever seen any of the security there look like they are paying attention or could fight their way out of a wet paper bag?

I would take my chances. I think I can protect myself better without them in my way.
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Unfortunately nothing would happen that would be good.
First, the fat cats in government, who are paid close to $100k or more in salary and benies, are guaranteed pay, whether they are sitting at home drinking beer or scratching their asses.
When the government is back up again, those lazy fat cats, would just be back ready to talk about their paid time off.
currently the government employee (not worker, there is no such thing in the government payroll, more like leeches) is a member of the union mafia. That means that you don't mess (1) with their pay, and (2) any time off is always paid time-off. Guaranteed.
So, the end result would be the citizenry that pays the taxes to these fat leeches would be out of services, while the fat leeches would be enjoying a paid (from our taxes) vacation, so that they can go back refreshed and ready to ask for the next 10% or more raise the very next day after they get back to their government desks.
There would be no chaos, there would be no riots.
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IMO, the feds will not ever let it happen. its just empty threats. if they bailout freddy and fannie they will certainly print enough to make sure no state falls
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You would save a fortune...that is what would happen.
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In the past 15 years or so there has been a concerted effort by public employee unions across the country to take control of state and local governments, and to use that control to expand and maintain unsustainable retirement benefits.

After a state bankruptcy the first thing (I hope) will happen is that these agreements will be scrapped. The unfunded pension liabilities will disappear. The remaining balances in the public employees retirement funds will be divvied up among the employees and they will have to make-do with what is left.

It is these public employees unions, police, fire, prison guards, teachers, etc. that have pushed cities, counties, and states to the edge of the financial abyss. They benefited most in the boom times. They must pay the largest share to bring us back from the edge.
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