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Old 04-20-2010, 01:51 PM
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Hey,
I am a total beginner shooting Crossbows so now I wanna start with an 80 lbs pistol crossbow. I wanna try Small Game hunting with it and mount a scope.
A have two questions:
1. How is the precision of an average 50 Dollar pistol crossbow on around 25 or 30 yards? Is it enough to hit something like a Crow?
2. Are 80 lbs enough energy to take small game like crows, pigeons and squirrels?

Do you think it's good to hunt crows and other similar game under 30 meters? I wanna use a scope and mount a stock.

Thanks,
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For small game like that, if you can hit it with a blade you can kill it. Not enough power to kill with blunts.

Now, as to whether you can actually hit the target? Only you can answer. Barnett crossbows are pretty good, but most pistol-crossbows are built for imaginary uses. costume-play.
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What do you mean with blunts?
Please take a Look at that link.
http://www.4komma5.de/12-Pfeile-fuer...ange-65-165-cm
Of Course this isn't a blade, but it should be pretty sharp. I could also grind them a bit... So do you think this is enough to kill small game?

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A blunt is a head that kills a target by trauma related injuries. By transferring the most amount of energy without intentionally penetrating the target, should only be used on small game with a high power bow or crossbow. Not pistol cross bow or small bow. I would recommend jumping straight into a full size crossbow, even if it was only 100-120lbs. It will have more range and make more humane kills on targets.
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Well, ok I'm gonna take a big crossbow with 130 lbs or more.
This was exactly my problem, for me a fast and painless kill is the most important thing about hunting. We should try to save the animals from suffering any unnecessary pain by getting shot. So I'll buy a "big" Crossbow with enough energy.
And with an 150 lbs using blade bolts I don't have to worry about that and the bolt's range anymore.
Thank you, guys ; )
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These are blunts basicly were a reg crossbow is going to go straight through it a blunt kills by massive blunt force trauma killing instantly while keeping the meat and fur intact and you get the added benifet of not getting arrows stuck in trees as theyl bounce out
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Hey,
I am a total beginner shooting Crossbows so now I wanna start with an 80 lbs pistol crossbow. I wanna try Small Game hunting with it and mount a scope.
A have two questions:
1. How is the precision of an average 50 Dollar pistol crossbow on around 25 or 30 yards? Is it enough to hit something like a Crow?
2. Are 80 lbs enough energy to take small game like crows, pigeons and squirrels?

Do you think it's good to hunt crows and other similar game under 30 meters? I wanna use a scope and mount a stock.

Thanks,
Paul
If you wanna mount a scope and stock I don't know why you wouldn't just get a full sized crossbow, before you required a license to own a crossbow here I had a full sized crossbow with a scope and I found it difficult to hit anything I was aiming at, I'm not sure how a small pistol crossbow would fire without a stock, but I can't imagine it being very easy to hit anything with
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Well, ok I'm gonna take a big crossbow with 130 lbs or more.
This was exactly my problem, for me a fast and painless kill is the most important thing about hunting. We should try to save the animals from suffering any unnecessary pain by getting shot. So I'll buy a "big" Crossbow with enough energy.
And with an 150 lbs using blade bolts I don't have to worry about that and the bolt's range anymore.
Thank you, guys ; )
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Us "Non-gun" hunters get pinged enough for unclean, inhumane kills. Sadly, it does tend to happen more often, people stretching their limitations and the limitations of the weapon. Yeah, maybe you're bow could take a deer at 60m. Can you hit the kill zone? Account for windage, string and handle torquing, obstacles all with a bit of stag fever thrown in for good measure.
I've heard stories of people shooting animals with arrows in their legs/head and being found in horrible condition because they can't eat properly. So if you're going to do it, do it as best as you can.
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I also got a little problem with some archery hunters going out to shoot big game.
Those who can get under 20 yards close to an animal will kill it fast for sure, but there's many videos on youtube where you see that they shoot on relative long ranges and hit the animals very bad. I just saw a video of some guys shooting an ELEPHANT (!!) at 30 yards or more with a crossbow. They didn't even hit him on the front side so he wasn't deadly hurt at all.
So, if you ask me, archery hunters should try more to get deadly shots or use firearms. They also shouldn't hunt animals over 500 lbs with a bow.
Well, I think for my uses hunting small game a crossbow is deadly enough. But even for a deer a good hunting bullet in the right caliber is much more humane than a long range (cross-)bow shot.
But as I said, those archery hunters who are good shooters and shoot on appropriate ranges are totally ok, but it doesn't make the reputation of us all hunters better to see videos of guys being proud of the slow kills their causing. Everyone can have a bad shot, but I think for some bow hunters the deadly shots are the rare thing.
I don't want any archery hunter here to feel attacked by me now. I know that not everyone is that kinda "bad" hunter, and using firearms also doesn't have to make a kill faster if you can't shoot. But I think many of you have the same opinion and, as I said in the upper post, we should try to save the animals from pain. A archery shot at bigger ranges can't guarantee that.
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My 2 cents, 80lb crossbow pistol while really considered an adult toy. I wouldnt use it as my primary weapon of choice on a hunting trip. But scenario: camping for the weekend, car battery dead, cell phone dead, fish aint biting, need to eat, all you have is your cobra 80lb pistol bow in your trunk. Squirrel or rabbit is possible with this weapon in a survival situation
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Here's a recent video I did showing that you can use an 80lb crossbow to render a lethal hit on a rabbit at 15 yards.
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I helped a friend sight in a crossbow recently, red dot would let us put bolts into a 6 inch bullseye at 60 yards pretty easily. I have no idea of the energy at that range, but with a broadhead, I'm sure it would do the job on most living things unless you hit a thick bone.
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For small game the problem with a pistol crossbow wouldn't be power but accuracy.

But, if you are going to shoot small game with any bow, if you live in country like I do you can figure on breaking or loosing a bolt about every other shot. So it gets to be pretty expensive rabbit meat. In a SHTF situation it would be worse because you couldn't replace bolts.

I have made bolts out of just lumberyard dowels and a 38 special case for a tip to reduce cost, but accuracy is poor.

For big game the cost of lost bolts might be worth the meat you harvest. But you need a full size C Bow for that. I had one for a few years and hated to carry it in the woods, just TOO cumbersome. Tried to use it in a blind but I don't have the patience for that.

If I wanted to hunt small game on the quiet I would use a pellet gun. If I want to hunt big game quietly I prefer my compound bow. As accurate as a crossbow if you practice and a lot more power.
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For small game the problem with a pistol crossbow wouldn't be power but accuracy.

But, if you are going to shoot small game with any bow, if you live in country like I do you can figure on breaking or loosing a bolt about every other shot. So it gets to be pretty expensive rabbit meat. In a SHTF situation it would be worse because you couldn't replace bolts.

I have made bolts out of just lumberyard dowels and a 38 special case for a tip to reduce cost, but accuracy is poor.

For big game the cost of lost bolts might be worth the meat you harvest. But you need a full size C Bow for that. I had one for a few years and hated to carry it in the woods, just TOO cumbersome. Tried to use it in a blind but I don't have the patience for that.

If I wanted to hunt small game on the quiet I would use a pellet gun. If I want to hunt big game quietly I prefer my compound bow. As accurate as a crossbow if you practice and a lot more power.
You can get 60 bolts for $14. That comes out to a quarter per shot. Firearm bullets generally cost more than that. Pellets are usually a couple cents.

If the bolts break you can usually superglue them back together for at least one more shot. They are only about 7 inches long and only have two wings that don't need to be made from a soft material like feathers or rubber. You could probably mass produce them with some basic materials.
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Hey,
I am a total beginner shooting Crossbows so now I wanna start with an 80 lbs pistol crossbow. I wanna try Small Game hunting with it and mount a scope.
A have two questions:
1. How is the precision of an average 50 Dollar pistol crossbow on around 25 or 30 yards? Is it enough to hit something like a Crow?
2. Are 80 lbs enough energy to take small game like crows, pigeons and squirrels?

Do you think it's good to hunt crows and other similar game under 30 meters? I wanna use a scope and mount a stock.

Thanks,
Paul

If you absolutely have to with a CB pistol......for small game.

http://www.chkadels.com/product/Aval...bow/162348.uts




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Probably a true 80# cb.
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You can get 60 bolts for $14. That comes out to a quarter per shot. Firearm bullets generally cost more than that. Pellets are usually a couple cents.

If the bolts break you can usually superglue them back together for at least one more shot. They are only about 7 inches long and only have two wings that don't need to be made from a soft material like feathers or rubber. You could probably mass produce them with some basic materials.
Wow that's way less than regular C bow bolts. But are they serious tools or toys?
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Wow that's way less than regular C bow bolts. But are they serious tools or toys?
I mean is a slingshot a serious tool or a toy? I've shot and killed rabbits with them. But I see kids playing with them too. It's all about how you apply it to the situation. If you want to shoot at cans and empty milk jugs all day then it's probably just a toy to plink around with. If you want to stalk small game and hone your accuracy and get some clean kills, then it's a serious tool.
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Real hunters always are perfecting their art. Its the Rambo wannabes that give the rest of us a bad name. It only takes one idiot to stick a duck in the head with blowgun dart or toy crossbow bolt. Then everyone at the fishing camp gets to look at a duck with a bolt or dart in its head for weeks because the duck took 2 months to finally die. Things like this give hunters a bad name. Hunters don't even use blowguns or crossbow toys for ducks!!! Funny how folks can jump from one kind of non hunter abuse to pinning that on honest for real hunters!

Just be aware of your skill level or lack of, and the limitations of your equipment to kill swiftly and efficiently. In a honest survival situation it may be unavoidable to injure or mame first then kill an animal with a knife or by hand but that's not likely to ever happen to most people.

As far as Archery for large animals, I can assure you that a highly skilled archer is every bit as lethal as a hunter with a rifle is. It does not matter the size of the animal. Serious hunters/archers/trappers spend the time to obtain the needed skills to harvest an animal, as humanely as possible. Again skill is only obtained from perfect practice. Today's people have precious little time to refine such skills except for the very dedicated..
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Doesn't matter. Wounded animals are a part of hunting. The hunter has no control over what organs the projectile hits and whether or not the animal chooses to die. All he can do is aim accurately and pull the trigger.

I don't condone or excuse reckless irresponsible hunting, but what I'm saying is that if you are such a bad ass that you can get HEADSHOTS with an arrow, yet the animal walks it off and lives....then not really a whole lot else you can do unless you have exploding arrow tips like in Rambo II.
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