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Old 03-14-2010, 08:41 PM
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Default Pledge of Allegiance, Motto "under God" ruled constitutional



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The Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld two religious freedom cases in San Francisco.
The court ruled on Thursday that the phrases "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on coins and currency are both constitutional. The legal challenges had been brought by professed atheist Michael Newdow, who had claimed the references to God disrespect his atheist beliefs…

An attorney with the Pacific Justice Institute (PJI) summarizes the court's ruling. "The court saw that both the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Motto -- "In God We Trust" -- do not violate the Establishment Clause, but rather they acknowledge the initial premises of our founding, which is that God gives each citizen inalienable rights," explains Kevin Snyder.

The rights of atheists and agnostics are included in those inalienable rights, Snyder notes, but not at the expense of people of faith. The court stressed that there is no violation of the so-called "separation of church and state," and Snyder reports that cases such as this continue to crop up periodically because "a segment of our society, particularly in law schools...wants to remove all semblances of religion from public life."


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The ruling works for me.
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Yeah, I always found the leftist approach to the clause of the 1st A dealing with religion a bit shaky. Good day for us Americans.
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I don't care for Labels. Labels are made by someone from the opposing party.

I was raised in the church, to believe that MAN was good.

Man is not good.

Men are Evil.

Thus, my decision not to preach the Gospel.

I was brainwashed into believing men have good intentions.

No, they do not.

Men are out to control what you believe in.

Control is everything, once you have control; you have all resources available.

Then you can control all men.

Men are stupid, and they will control you.

You are stupid to put your trust in men.

Shortly, you will find; everyone you consider a hero, is nothing.

Nature/God gave you a Brain. Use it. Get over the Hero worship.

Don't forget, Nature gave you the brain.

If you give it away by Hero worship, you have sinned.
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Yeah, I always found the leftist approach to the clause of the 1st A dealing with religion a bit shaky. Good day for us Americans.
The religion clause in the First amendment only applies to Congress...At least that is what the actual words in the Amendment say....The Courts can't read on that one.....BTW no where does it say anything about separation of church and state!
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I don't care for Labels. Labels are made by someone from the opposing party.

I was raised in the church, to believe that MAN was good.

Man is not good.

Men are Evil.

Thus, my decision not to preach the Gospel.

I was brainwashed into believing men have good intentions.

No, they do not.

Men are out to control what you believe in.

Control is everything, once you have control; you have all resources available.

Then you can control all men.

Men are stupid, and they will control you.

You are stupid to put your trust in men.

Shortly, you will find; everyone you consider a hero, is nothing.

Nature/God gave you a Brain. Use it. Get over the Hero worship.

Don't forget, Nature gave you the brain.

If you give it away by Hero worship, you have sinned.
Uhm ...ok and thanks I think.
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The religion clause in the First amendment only applies to Congress...At least that is what the actual words in the Amendment say....The Courts can't read on that one.....BTW no where does it say anything about separation of church and state!
Nope it does not say that, it just says congress cannot make a law favoring one religion over another (paraphrase), which is why this ruling is how it should be.
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Good call! The Ca Courts can make a good decision occasionally. I just look at the cost to the taxpayers every time something like this has to be decided.
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Good call! The Ca Courts can make a good decision occasionally. I just look at the cost to the taxpayers every time something like this has to be decided.
It amazes me how hard atheists try to convince others not to support something they don’t believe in, in the first place.

What a waste of time, effort and money.

How many pounds of food could have been donated to a food shelf? For the amount of money wasted on this lawsuit.
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It amazes me how hard atheists try to convince others not to support something they don’t believe in, in the first place.

What a waste of time, effort and money.

How many pounds of food could have been donated to a food shelf? For the amount of money wasted on this lawsuit.
I agree! I just wonder why they feel it's so important.
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The same guy Mchael Newdow tried it back in 2004. He sued the Elk Grove School District (15 miles south of Sacramento, CA) because the school said it. His daughter went there. The US Supreme Court tossed him out on his ear.

He's going to try it again, hopefully he'll get the same reception.


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Yes, you would wonder.
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The pledge should be changed to say
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Believe it or not guys, I actually support this ruling....

And no, no miracle has happened. ;D
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