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Old 03-13-2010, 08:21 AM
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I usually carry a full size 1911. I figured that a Glock 21 would be better for bug out since I will also be carrying a rifle. I can shoot a 1911 ALOT better than a Glock BUt its nice to know that a 21 will survive alot of torture... Who doesnt use a glock for bugging out and why?
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<-------- This guy doesn't. It boils down to personal preference and being comfortable with a weapon. I have been trained extensively with the Army issued M9 by Beretta so when cam time to purchase a Fire Arm I went with what I knew. I picked up a Beretta PX4 in 40 S&W. It's almost identical in function to the M9, right out of the box I was comfortable and familiar with every aspect of the Fire Arm. I still go to the range every chance I get but if the SHTF on my way home from the gun shop I would have been good to go.
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1911s have been around for 100 years. I recently got to shoot a 1911 that had been through WW2 as a service pistol. It STILL shoots like it's new. ANY quality pistol will work/keep for decades IF you take care of them.
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I'm probably the most anti-glock person around and most of it I admit is just plain personal preference of other brands, that being said if you choose to carry a glock as your sidearm make sure its one of their high end models and at least a .40 or just dont bother.
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I got a glock 23c while back and its a fun gun to shoot
Old 03-13-2010, 11:07 AM
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The Glock 21 is a very good shooting 45. You have to spend a bit of money to get a 1911 to handle and shoot just as well but they will last the rest of your life. My Wilson CQB has 62k through it with a couple of minor tune-ups.

1911's are not for everyone. Glock makes something that will fit anyone.
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I wouldn't use any automatic for survival. Just revolvers.
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First, any gun you feel comfortable shooting and can accurately and consistently hit with is a good weapon. I have a para-ordinance P-14 bought pre-clinton ban in 93. It shoot great, feeds any type of .45 ammo. I am looking to buy more magazines. I have a colt python 6 inch, and taurus 605 stainless .357 snubbie. I carry the taurus daily. Recently, I purchased a new Springfield XD-M 9mm. It holds twenty rounds! You can customize the backstrap to fit your hand, the plain sights are very good, it comes with a match grade barrel 4.5 inch, and I can hit very consistently with it, 9mm far less $$$ than .45 and , with extra clips the XD-M is awesome firepower to keep in bugout bag, etc. I got it and a small cleaning kit, mag loader, ammo and 6 mags in a nice bag from cheaper than dirt for under $12.00. bag is black nylon, looks like small laptop bag. If you want a nice, light 9mm, that is great quality, has not one, but two built in safties, grip safety( like 1911) and trigger , (like glock) buy the XD-M 9mm. available in .40 , too.
another nice gun I won't part with is a walthers PP in .32. It is prewar,Nazi stamped 1938 feeds anytype of .32 ( i use winchester silvertips for carry) these are getting very expensive. A used S&W 629 stainless six inch magna-ported .44 is good in the woods. Should kill just about anything. horrible recoil, even ported.
I can shoot the XD-M very accurately, and it is very reliable. Put 500 rounds through it first day out. Always clean new pistols, rifles, etc, remove storage grease!!
if you're considering a new polymer framed 9mm; check out springfield's XD-M !!

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Here's another vote for revolvers, in particular pre 1980s S&W and current production Ruger single actions. I own a couple of 1911A1s, a 1943 vintage GI Colt and a Norinco, and have a hoard of ammo for them. I have had carpal tunnel surgery in both hands, and have arthritis in my hands and fingers. I just feel a lot more comfortable manipulating the revolvers now. There is also the added benefit of not only owning a highly reliable tool, but also a work of art when you have a S&W. Some people question the lack of round capacity with revolvers. I really don't think that is so much of an issue in normal defensive situations, and in a shtf situation, I would hope to have a carbine available to lay down a volume of fire if needed. However, a k-frame Model 10, backed by a j-frame Model 36 gives me eleven immediate shots without a reload. Moreover, one has the aesthetic satisfaction of having defended himself with a thing of absolute beauty. That's something that you could never say about a Glop.
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Old 03-13-2010, 03:16 PM
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Although I am all too familiar with the Glock, If given the the choice I carry my Springfield 1911 or Ruger Security Six. I really have no complaints about any of them. They all have been proven reliable, never failed to go bang, just a personal preferance. Besides the Ruger was the first handgun I shot and probably the one I am most accuarate with.
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Most guns will last and function when you are able to take care of them BUT what if you ran out of cleaning supplies... a bug out might last a few days or a few years. I want something that will run for a long time if im not able to maintain it. The glock was burried for 2 years in that guys yard and it still worked. For normal uses the 1911 is my first choice.
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I had a Glock 21 for two years. I sold it b/c I couldn't stand it. I've carried and used 1911s for 20+ years. The 1911 has proven itself in combat for 100 years. That's good enough for me. If you like Glock, great. Get what YOU want to trust with your life.
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Who doesnt use a Glock for survival. 1911 vs G21?

Not me.

I have a 1911, but not my primary. 3-4 down the list.

Beretta 92SB and 96D would be 1 & 2.
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On top of their 100 years of historical reliability . . .

I have carried the same 1911 for over 25 years. Its been through a few barrels, Changed most of the springs once or twice, but this pistol has 50,000 rounds through it if it has 50 rounds through it. Probably more like 75,000 rounds to be honest.

In that time, it has malfunctioned three times. TWICE were clearly unquestionably my fault.


Glock has a world class marketing program, and for a new kid on the block they ARE doing pretty well. But well, its going to take another 50 or 60 years before I'd even consider giving up my 1911 for one. That'll make me . . . about 112 years old. Yes, by then I may consider giving up my real pistol for tactical tupperware.
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Glock 21 vs. 1911(IMHO)......

I carry one of the two, depending on what's going on.

For me the pros to the 1911:

Better fit-
Getting a good and consistant grip is relatively easy and comfortable with a 1911. With a G21, it's akin to holding a shaved down 2x4....

More accurate-
See above.....

Better to carry-
Especially for a CCW


Pros for the G21:

More capacity-
1 magazine in the gun & 4 spare 1911 magazines= 40
1 magazine in the gun & 4 spare G21 magazines(with +2 floorplates)=75

Better reliability-
Kinda goes without saying

Better suited for attached light-
I have found it better to be able to work an attached light with a G21 than one on a 1911. But that's probably just me....


In the end, the most important thing is to actually HAVE something when the time comes to be out the door.....

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i would rather throw a brick than shoot a glock. although the designer left them to make a superior weapon... they call it a steyrm40a1......
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I usually carry a full size 1911. I figured that a Glock 21 would be better for bug out since I will also be carrying a rifle. I can shoot a 1911 ALOT better than a Glock BUt its nice to know that a 21 will survive alot of torture... Who doesnt use a glock for bugging out and why?
I saw some tortute tests on some 1911's online, I don't have the link anymore but they compared, kimber, charles daily, Rock Island, springfield, taraus.

They did some tests similar to the glock tests, they fired the pistols in water, urried them in mud, and all sorts of abuse. The kimber and the Rock Island 1911 won the test. with 0 failures. I was happy to read this after I had purchased a Rock Island Tactical 1911...

I believe my 1911 would serve me well in a survival situation.
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I am an XD guy. I chose the XD over the Glock because I have never been able to shoot the Glocks well and the XD felt right. On the range that feeling was born out as I can make hits consistently and hold tight groups at necessary distances with this pistol.

1911s are great, but I feel that their time has passed and that one of the polymer frame guns is the one to go to.
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I dont. I get the best of both worlds

XD service .45 baby!
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Why has the 1911's time passed?
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