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Last winter, we had 6-8 inches of constant snow in the country with higher drifts everywhere. County was in a state of emergency a few times with travel restrictions. I have a 99 Super Duty (gas) with no lift and factory-size Michelin AT tires (and weight in the bed). I just locked it in 4x4, drove slow with caution and purpose and went everywhere I needed to go.

No matter what vehicle you have, carry communications (phone and/or CB) just in case.
You hit the nail on the head Joey-T. I spent 15 years in Alaska driving a 2wd Chevy S10. If you drive like your half sane, you can make it through the deep stuff.

It always amazed me when the first snow would hit Anchorage and the 4 lane road that goes from midtown to the Seward Highway (distance less that 10 miles and one year I counted 83 vehicled buried in the snow in the're "SUV's" all in 4wd.. then again, at least 80% of them had California plates on them.

It's all in how you drive. I never had either one of my S-10's in a situation where I had to be pulled out of a snowbank or ditch.

Near Portland where I live these days, they'll get 1" of snow, get their cars stuck and just walk away from them..

I drive an F150 2wd and drove UP a backroad called German Town road on my way to work one morning. Same thing, cars in the ditches everywhere. My old truck just kept on going right up to the top to the dismay of all those fancy bmw SUV owners standing outside their 4x4 all in the ditches..

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Every vehicle has its limits. Some do better in x, some not. But the biggest way to succeed is to know what those limits are and be smart enough to stay home when it's beyond what you can handle.


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I drive an F150 2wd and drove UP a backroad called German Town road on my way to work one morning. Same thing, cars in the ditches everywhere. My old truck just kept on going right up to the top to the dismay of all those fancy bmw SUV owners standing outside their 4x4 all in the ditches..

Good times..
Yes, and I know for sure you could not of climbed my hill with your 2WD truck. Not everyone lives in the same conditions and I don't care if it is Alaska or New York. On a hill steeper then 30% with a dirt surface, I doubt you could even get your truck started from a dead-stop if on that hill in the summer after a hard rain.

This talk I keep hearing repeated about "going anywhere by knowing how to drive" is a lot of hot-air. Yes, sure an idiot can get anything stuck. A good driver can go a heck of a lot better with a good 4WD then a 2WD.
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When we lived up in Washington state, I recall a rather large snowfall in our area. Friends of the wife (at work) who had larger 4x4 SUV’s, couldn’t get their vehicles to move in the snow. The wife called me at home, and I picked them up in our lifted Suzuki Samurai, big off-road tires. We had no trouble. 25+ years later we still have the Samurai….
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There is a lot of good input on this subject and some BS, but I hear most know how to deal with their situations with their idea of a vehicle. I had a Bronco, F250 Turbo Diesel and now a Jeep Rubicon as pictured.

Texas was rough with freezing roads that would freeze while your traveling uphill. I don't care how many wheels you have, your going to follow Newton's law of gravity.
But snow is different and different conditions exists depending on elevation, humidity, depth of snow, grade of road and on and on. The locals know the best equipment for the job and my hats off to them here. If I was having drinks in a bar and locals advised me to not go any further without chains, brother I would do it.

But how's this? What vehicle would you take to cross the USA in winter? Unknown roads and conditions. Mountains and valleys. Ice and slush. Wildlife and storms. What would you take? I will stick to my Rubicon with 35" MT AT and lift. Wench I hope to not need but so is the spare tire. Not failed me yet.
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I'm in an '07 Tahoe LTZ with BFG TA KO's today, it's starting to sleet now. I have the '04 TJL with 35" TA KM2's and a winch at the house. Trying to decide which to drive to work tonight, calling for 4-8" of snow here and I have a 30-40 minute ride on country roads. I'll be a Medic on a QRV, and have a partner for the shift(12 hours). Then home around 0700 tomorrow.
The Tahoe has my BOB, GHB, TacMed bag, SKS, tools and all in it. The Jeep is a soft top, but has the extra room for the bags, no good rifle storage though. I'll have my side arm in my BDU's, as will my partner(both active or retired police.


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For general purpose, west michigan weather.....my 09 liberty has treated me fairly well.... I drive it everywhere i wanna go... Literally......
All things being the same; Tires are the differance... I had BF Goodrich AT KO's..... Very nice... The current Cooper Discovery's? Tho not a complete failure... Are alot softer, and have been in a few times to get the beads resealed.... A little more slippage... Probably wouldnt buy them again..... Tho they were cheaper in initial cost....

We get all kinds of ice and snow.... From inches to feet... Terrain varies, but we have only tall hills... No mountains....
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Ok, so the BFG's did great this AM. It was 28*, the wind was howling and we had ZERO snow at 0700 when I got off of the QRV. We ran a whopping ZERO calls in my almost 12 hours.
At about 0725, it began to snow on us. It snowed hard.....and was gone by 1230.
SC, where the weather is truly bi-polar.....


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Ok, so the BFG's did great this AM. It was 28*, the wind was howling and we had ZERO snow at 0700 when I got off of the QRV. We ran a whopping ZERO calls in my almost 12 hours.
At about 0725, it began to snow on us. It snowed hard.....and was gone by 1230.
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...The current Cooper Discovery's? Tho not a complete failure... Are alot softer, and have been in a few times to get the beads resealed.... A little more slippage... Probably wouldnt buy them again..... Tho they were cheaper in initial cost...
Those are the tires I have on my Jeep Gran Cherokee right now. 265/70-R17. They are near the end of their life, but they absolutely suck in the deep snow. I got stuck in 10" of snow on a road just turning around. Had to walk home and get my damn tractor and recruit the son to pull me out.

I just ordered some General Grabber AT2 tires:



Hopefully they'll do better.

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I d be interested in your results...
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I just ordered some General Grabber AT2 tires:



Hopefully they'll do better.

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The F-150 I bought used this past August came with these tires on it. Been good in the snow and on the ice so far!

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Those are the tires I have on my Jeep Gran Cherokee right now. 265/70-R17. They are near the end of their life, but they absolutely suck in the deep snow. I got stuck in 10" of snow on a road just turning around. Had to walk home and get my damn tractor and recruit the son to pull me out.

I just ordered some General Grabber AT2 tires:



Hopefully they'll do better.

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I Mounted a set of those on a friend's f-100 before my tire machine burned up in the house fire. He is happy and I should be getting my new tire machine in the near future.
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I favour a tire with big voids and a lot of sidewall so the tire can flex at lower pressures.
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The F-150 I bought used this past August came with these tires on it. Been good in the snow and on the ice so far!

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How is the tires wearing? Any road noise, likes and dislikes?
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How is the tires wearing? Any road noise, likes and dislikes?
They seem to be wearing evenly. Not sure how many miles are on them since they came on the truck. Not too much road noise either, especially compared with the truck I was driving before. They give a nice ride and have handled well so far.

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Any interesting video out of Iceland from Arctic Trucks that compares a track converted vehicle to a large tire low air pressure vehicle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcgK...ature=youtu.be
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I lived in upstate NY for years. I was a truck guy for many years. Once gas got so expensive I started looking for alternatives. Where I lived 4wd was almost a must have if you wanted 100% capability to go where you want when you want. And I'm talking about just travel on roads, not off-road.

I tried several mid size suv types. I liked the gmc Jimmy but still wanted something cheaper to drive daily. I test drove a Subaru Outback and liked it's performance and its mileage.

That was 20 some years ago and I haven't owned anything else since. I've never been stopped by snow and it does ( for the most part ) everything else I need and want. It's not an off road vehicle but actually does better than most mid size SUV's on trails and light off road situations. My 2015 has 7.8 inches of clearance. It's AWD, but does have a feature that's similar to 4lo if you do get stuck. Mine came skid plated front to back.

Cargo space isn't what you would get from any pick up but I manage. I've put 180 lb deer in mine. Along with all my gear. They do make a 6 cyl that has some tow capacity but I opted for the motor I know and trust the 2.5l.

By far the most reliable vehicles I've ever owned. My first scooby went to 380,000 before I retired it. My fiance totaled my first brand new one which made it to 80,000 without any issues at all.

They are pricey, but you get what you pay for IMO. I'll pay for durability and low maintenance.

I get on average 35 mpg with daily driving. I live in Texas now and have driven it to NY twice to see family. I managed 41 mpgs on those trips.

They make plenty of aftermarket parts and kits to make them more off road capable if that's your thing. They do well. Not going to compete with any standard truck that's had upgrades but will get you there if you know what your doing.
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I lived in upstate NY for years. I was a truck guy for many years. Once gas got so expensive I started looking for alternatives. Where I lived 4wd was almost a must have if you wanted 100% capability to go where you want when you want. And I'm talking about just travel on roads, not off-road.

I tried several mid size suv types. I liked the gmc Jimmy but still wanted something cheaper to drive daily. I test drove a Subaru Outback and liked it's performance and its mileage.

That was 20 some years ago and I haven't owned anything else since. I've never been stopped by snow and it does ( for the most part ) everything else I need and want. It's not an off road vehicle but actually does better than most mid size SUV's on trails and light off road situations. My 2015 has 7.8 inches of clearance. It's AWD, but does have a feature that's similar to 4lo if you do get stuck. Mine came skid plated front to back.

Cargo space isn't what you would get from any pick up but I manage. I've put 180 lb deer in mine. Along with all my gear. They do make a 6 cyl that has some tow capacity but I opted for the motor I know and trust the 2.5l.

By far the most reliable vehicles I've ever owned. My first scooby went to 380,000 before I retired it. My fiance totaled my first brand new one which made it to 80,000 without any issues at all.

They are pricey, but you get what you pay for IMO. I'll pay for durability and low maintenance.

I get on average 35 mpg with daily driving. I live in Texas now and have driven it to NY twice to see family. I managed 41 mpgs on those trips.

They make plenty of aftermarket parts and kits to make them more off road capable if that's your thing. They do well. Not going to compete with any standard truck that's had upgrades but will get you there if you know what your doing.

Same here. I had a super capable 1990 Legacy that I ran to 286,000 miles without any problems and gave it to a friend who ran it to 345,000 until he killed it by running it out of oil. Stupid mistake. I ran that car all over snowy and icy Washington, Oregon, and Northern California.

I've had 3 different Toyota Land Cruisers, one with front, center, and rear lockers (ARB air lockers F&R), I've had a 4 Runner, an 81 SR-5 4wd pickup, an F-350, F-250 and a tracked CAT skidsteer, and my current 2017 Outback handles better in snow than any of them.

The locked Land Cruiser was good in deep snow and pretty good on the road, but the Outback is so much more capable on anything except really deep snow. The traction control system and AWD is set up to regulate traction so that all you have to do is get traction on 1 wheel and you're going to keep moving.

It doesn't side slope slide like a locked diff / axle does, and it won't free spin like an open diff. The system will individually brake a spinning wheel, dropping it down to a speed where it can regain traction. You can feel the individual tires grabbing traction and switching around, literally clawing it's way up the road. If you need to just power through will all wheels spinning, you can always turn the VSC system off and hammer it through.

Subarus are practically the state car of Colorado. They are super popular in Tahoe, Seattle, Portland, Salt Lake, and all over the North East where people drive in slippery and icy conditions. You just need to make sure you don't get too far off trail or you'll bury it, but if you can stay in the moderately deep to shallow stuff, Subarus will do amazing things.

If you need to get off trail and non-maintained roads, then something with 39.5" plus Iroks or Boggers is the way to go. Even heavily siped TSL's will work pretty well if running 42's or 44's. Avoid Thornbirds at all costs, those things are garbage in all conditions. Other than that, tall and skinny has worked well in the other stuff.


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