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Can liberals be survivalists / preppers?

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Can liberals be survivalists / preppers?

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#1 ·
I’ve seen a rather high number of posts about that liberals basically can’t be survivalists and some posts that they aren’t welcome. I think it would be interesting to see a poll about what people in general think about this subject. So do you think that liberals can be survivalists?
 
#323 ·
no way. The first time they try to tell a prepper after the SHTF that they don't care for how they are doing something a certain way. Or were gonna do it this way its for your own protection. They'll be shot and left for the birds and worms. They can prep. but after the first 6 weeks they'll be extinct.
 
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#324 ·
There are many progressives out there with plans of what to do after SHTF. There are people on all sides of the political spectrum trying to hasten the coming collapse so they can control the rebuild. These people are prepping and stocking like us. They're buying PM. They're getting control of pipelines. They're buying military grade weapons. Some of them are in charge of foreign governments, and they're hoping for collapse in North America so they can get revenge on Americans.

Folks here don't need to be afraid of the hippy down the street. They need to worry about the likes of Van Jones and George Soros.
 
#325 ·
Good points, however...



Those that are high profile, as in Libeturd, Progressive, Socialist, Communist, Nazi, and Islamofascist, will be amazed at how "popular" they have become, when everybody else wants to make their acquaintance... Their meeting with their would be serfs, should be a delight to view... Good thing ropes can be used, reused, reused, and so on, for many times... Waste not, want not...

Remember, Karma is a stone cold bitch, for what goes around, comes around...

OA, out...
 
#331 ·
Psted by REPR.

You also need a history refresher on forms of government. Left and right. The classical scale of government control is defined as a scale from left to right going from total governmental control to complete anarchy (no government) on the extreme right. Fascism is on the left side of the scale, as it includes forms of total government control just as communism and socialism. This whole "left wing" and 'right wing' as it pertains to liberalism and conservatism is a modern label that has been wrong from day one and was constructed to give a classification to each legislature's political leaning (i.e. that they are either of the "left side of the aisle or the right")

Then you posted this.

Oh, and just for your reference so that you're not confused next time you start trying to mouth off about sports teams being "socialist":

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
Noun

1- A political and economic theory of that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated...
2- (in Marxist theory) A transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

Now very simply I just pull the same definition of facism and.

fas·cism
/ˈfaSHizəm/Noun
1.An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
2.(in general use) Extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.

Look by definition it is right wing.
 
#332 ·
Posted by REPR.
I also suspect you don't even know what socialism is. Its not "being a part of a group". Wearing uniforms to identify your role in a sport or the military is NOT socialism. A god-damn girl scout troop is, by your definition, socialist. Which is completely stupid and absolutely ludicrous. Socialism is by definition when the gov't controls all aspects of private industry, which directly results in controlling people's lives.

A counter definition of capitalism and socialism
http://www.class.uidaho.edu/engl_258/lecture notes/capitalism etc defined.htm

And no a girl scout troup is not government controled. The military is.

I know you don't want to admit that.
 
#339 ·
Why do democracies have constitutions then?
Ugh. You clearly didn't watch the video.....or did not understand it. The United states is not a democracy. We are a republic. Saying we are a 'democracy' is a wildly inaccurate term perpetuated by idiots to people that do not know any better. We are a republic that elects its representatives through a democratic process. There is a huge difference.

Like the video says......democracy is essentially just mob rule. There are no nations on Earth that are pure democracies. In a pure democracy everyone would vote on every single thing and there would be no government officials.
 
#337 ·
People should check out many of the rural areas from Northern California to Alaska. Lots of hippies moved to these areas in the late 60s and are still there. I just don't understand this whole mentality about liberals not being able to be preppers. They are idiots otherwise but that doesn't stop them from having a survival instinct.
 
#338 ·
Survivalists - No
Preppers - Yes, technically, but only as long as it takes for someone to murder them for their stockpiles of food or other possessions.

Liberals, in the context of Obama's America, by in large abhor firearms and learning most skills that it would take to survive in a truly SHTF scenario. What good is a basement full of freezedried food if the first thug who notices you are not starving decides to break into your house and kill you?

So basically liberals that 'prep' are just prepping supplies for another person to kill them for. The ant and the grasshopper......and the ant is a pathetic pacifist while the grasshopper has a gun.
 
#341 ·
The ant and the grasshopper was just being used as an example with the ant as the conservative prepper in another thread. There is a kind of irony there.

I do like how everybody thinks the other side has a monopoly on lazy or weak.

I tried to find out if Aseop was a liberal or a conservative. But I think he was made up.
 
#342 ·
If you want to be blind to things you put yourself in danger. Not the way to go IMHO.

So... according to some, a socialist or liberal love and trust government (any!), live in the city in gluttony and is a sissy.

Ever stop to think your stereotype might not be true? I mean, a lot of people are idiots, but I think you find as many in your own group.

If you trust someone based on their leaning, you are an idiot.
 
#345 ·
If you want to be blind to things you put yourself in danger. Not the way to go IMHO.

So... according to some, a socialist or liberal love and trust government (any!), live in the city in gluttony and is a sissy.

Ever stop to think your stereotype might not be true? I mean, a lot of people are idiots, but I think you find as many in your own group.

If you trust someone based on their leaning, you are an idiot.
I've responded to the scenes of enough violent crimes where liberals were the victims to know that the stereotype IS true.

You're welcome to your opinion though.
 
#344 ·
Government caters to all dumb people no matter the type of government. They think it takes years to read and write, they offer extra help to people who cannot spell or use computers or remember the most basic facts. They hail ignorance and treat young people as children until they are 18 or older. Because people with real skills might change the world. So they must be held back. People who's main interest is reality TV and what neighbor bought new drapes will not change a darn thing. Still they are seen as the sane one, they are called team players and told they have social skills because they know how to gossip and play mind games.

Why? Because then people will be happy buying new shoes and go partying and never question anything. A liberal government will do this. A conservative one as well.
 
#347 ·
Stickers on their car, t-shirts ('Change' w/a pic of Obama, 'Darwin is my homeboy', pot leaf etc), the make of their car, phrases of speech and so forth are usually pretty good indicators of whether the pt is in fact a liberal.

Most conservatives also don't go to violent anti-****** hating rap concerts and wonder why they got mobbed, buy dope in the hood at 2am or give homeless drug addicts money to work around their home and then wonder why they got beat up/ripped off (while throwing out a couple excuses for the douchebag who ripped them off while giving the police report).
 
#354 ·
I'm definately a conservative. I've been a "survivalist/gun nut/prepper/whatever since I was in my late teens. I have a few friends that fit the bill of liberal to a T. I think when there in their inner circle of fellow libs they may not know where to start, but I've been cornered and drilled with questions regarding prepping. It's actually kindof refreshing. I have friends that talk conservative and seem to walk conservative that just don't think what's happening around them is really happening. With that being said, I also think think that there is different levels of lib vrs conservative behavior. It's really just labels. I saw a shirt that said "Common Sense is so rare it should be labeled a Super Power. Not all libs are void of common sense, and not all conservatives have it. One of those lib friends just bought a 12ga and a 9mm hand gun. They've also been storing food for the last 6 months or so. So yeah, if they're open minded, not some idiot that will believe what the media tells them, but actually pulls their head out of their rectal oraface and look at the world and its situation objectively, anyone can be a prepper.
 
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#363 ·
Technically YES in certain circunstances.

If it's carried in a supermarket and depending on how it got entered into the supermarket's point-of-sale database. If it's entered as a foodstuff not for immediate consumption you should be able to buy it. If it's entered as emergency supplies, then no unless you are in an area currently under alert.
 
#367 ·
I've been lurking on these boards since I registered a few months ago and I'm both enlightened and appalled by some of the things people have said, "Liberals" and "Conservatives" alike.

To the question, and to address some of the misconceptions of many of the posters on this very thread I do have a few things to say.

First off, to people who constantly characterize the "liberal mindset" as being one which relies on the government I have to call BS on that one, people who use that as a blanket condemnation of left leaning folks have probably never had an in depth conversation with a "liberal" or cannot get through their own preconceptions to do so. Conversely, to the "liberals" who mis-characterize "conservatives" as backward, uneducated and hateful I say you have some way to come before you can truly be considered liberal minded. I have both Liberals and Conservatives (who self-identify as such) in my life who I agree with and am very friendly with, I also know of many of both who I cannot stand, who's ignorance and unwillingness to see beyond their personal points of view cause me to disassociate with them.

Liberals can and many (including myself) ARE of the survivalist mindset. We are interested in learning how to hunt, to defend ourselves and we respect the constitution of the United States even if we feel that some of the provisions need greater scrutiny. I personally DO NOT want people disarmed and helpless, but that does not mean that I'm not concerned about gun violence or unstable people attaining weapons. I also want to know as much about survival, urban and otherwise, as I possibly can. We can debate the reasons all day long but I also believe that it is in everyone's best interest to be prepared for whatever may come down the pike. I also respect military veterans greatly, but will not allow their service to get in the way when I disagree with them on a given topic. My belief has always been to question every established assumption and accept no dogma blindly regardless of whether to comes from the right or the left.

I don't suffer foolish unsubstantiated rumor in myself, so I do not suffer it in anyone else and when I am wrong, as I often am, I do my best to learn from it and move on.

One of the things I see in survivalist circles that makes me want to withdraw is the same that I see in more left leaning circles that also makes me angry are the false assumptions about and dehumanization of the other side. It is my belief that this infighting among the citizenry, the division of us into camps of "left" and "right" "liberal" and "Conservative" serves only those who would truly keep us ALL down and is a part of the divide and conquer strategy that has again and again, either implicitly or explicitly used to pit us against each other. It serves none of us.

I may abhor some of your beliefs but as long as I recognize you as a human being with human needs and your own set of experiences that are very likely different than mine, I can never hate you the person. That thought gives me hope, and on some days it is the only thing that give me hope. We can agree to disagree and still be supportive of each other in our individual quests to learn all we can to protect ourselves and our families AND each other against those who would do us all harm.

That has always been my intention here. To learn, to understand, and to prepare, not to bicker over petty political differences. Because whoever would do us harm wants nothing more than that, and personally I love the people of this country too much to hate them over dogmatic differences.

Being of African and American Indian ancestry I am well aware of what blind hate does to people on both sides and I don't want to be a part of that.

Thank you for listening.
 
#368 ·
Of course they can be survivalists, but it seems to fly in the face of everything they profess to believe in. If the government and society is supposed to take care of everyone, why do they need to prep? If they believed in self-sufficiency, they wouldn't be out trying to rob everyone blind in order to pay for their Obama phones, housing, health care, birth control, food stamps, day care, college...well, you get the picture. I could not possibly list them all.
 
#369 ·
All the real preppers I know are not liberals.

That statement doesn't mean liberals can't be preppers. Just means liberals are not preppers. It makes sense when you really think about it. Yes liberals do prepare for a snow storm or loss of employment which is of course good, but a prepper I think means a bit more than that. It means getting ready for the BIG things as well.
 
#371 ·
Mindset schmindset. I mean seriously. I'm basically a commie and I have no problem with individuals solving problems. I'm an individualist that could quite easily flip into elitism and meritocracy. A good society is built on strong, creative members. You can't create a society out of worker ants, IMO.

I strongly believe in using people's strengths. I mean, even in a small group, it is better I do my thing and share with them and they do their thing and share with me than everyone doing for themselves, things they suck doing.

I don't play well with others, still I strongly doubt I could survive more than a year totally on my own. It's just fact, I don't LIKE it, but life does not adapt to me.

That's all I have to say for now.
 
#381 ·
Well Speedy, I'm your basic a-hole too. That's why I try so hard to be polite, and understand other peoples views. I'm really just Attila in a new set of clothes, but I know people around me who've voted for every liberal canidate they've ever heard of, and support them. Its amazing how many of them are closet preppers though. Full pantries, nice gardens, canning their own produce, solar panels, generators, sewing machines, etc. I also know people who call themselves conservatives who have houses full of guns, a couple of pizzas in the freezer, a few cans of soup in the pantry, watch whatever sport is on the tube, worry about who's gonna be America's next idol, all that cr*p They're all friends, and neighbors. But, who do you think I'll be trying to ally with, and protect in a bad situation.
 
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