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Old 12-25-2009, 11:03 AM
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So I've been sitting here thinking about getting a smaller gun that's cheap to shoot and easy to reload, so I started looking at blackpowder rifles... Nah, not so cheap when you add the price of the powder up.

Mossberg 500 18.5" cylinder bore 410.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=246091
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=476137

Two different shotcups, one has an inside diameter of .360, the other has an inside diameter of .375. Planning on sitting those bad boys in there and working up a load for deer hunting with the little bugger.

I'd think it would be a great packing shotgun too. Small and compact, would prefer a folding stock on 'er though.

https://www.lipseys.com/itemdetail.a...ily=500+Series

Anybody else out there toyed with 410 reloads before?

(trolls need not apply, I've got a Mossberg 500A 12 gauge also)
((Don't say get a 20 gauge, Not fond of them))
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Congrats!! Nice addition to the family......
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lemme know how close you get to the deer to take him down with that 410.
 
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just get a 12 ga with an extra barrel for slugs.
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Nice shotgun. Will be great for small game too. That would be very managable with a pistol grip.
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just get a 12 ga with an extra barrel for slugs.
FXjohn, So yeah read before you say something, mmk? Read entire posts.

Dirtydog, I'll be shooting at close ranges obviously. My shooting house has been in the same spot for about 7 or 8 years, deer aren't scared of it so they get close. I assume you've never used a 410 since you're always knocking them. Anything is as capable as the loads for it are.
http://www.handloads.com/calc/quick.asp You might find that interesting to play with.

It's my own little pet project. Because I know it'll work, and I'd like to have it for SHTF.

Side note, So many people say they use 223 instead of 308 because they can carry more rounds of 223. I guess I could fall onto that wagon and say I can carry more 410 than 12 gauge
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FXjohn, So yeah read before you say something, mmk? Read entire posts.

Dirtydog, I'll be shooting at close ranges obviously. My shooting house has been in the same spot for about 7 or 8 years, deer aren't scared of it so they get close. I assume you've never used a 410 since you're always knocking them. Anything is as capable as the loads for it are.
http://www.handloads.com/calc/quick.asp You might find that interesting to play with.

It's my own little pet project. Because I know it'll work, and I'd like to have it for SHTF.

Side note, So many people say they use 223 instead of 308 because they can carry more rounds of 223. I guess I could fall onto that wagon and say I can carry more 410 than 12 gauge

Your right ive never used one to hunt deer with or reloaded.But at any rate i just like gettn you fired up aboutit.
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just get a 12 ga with an extra barrel for slugs.
???????why not just one with a deer slug barrel?
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I hope after you wound that deer you take the time to track the deer down so it doesnt suffer....
Why would someone do this
Buy a shot barrel model 870 in 12 gauge if you want it compact
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I was under the impression .410 store bought loads are more expensive than either 20 or 12. Reloading should negate that though.
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I hope after you wound that deer you take the time to track the deer down so it doesnt suffer....
Why would someone do this
Buy a shot barrel model 870 in 12 gauge if you want it compact
Well, it's a 35-40 caliber bullet, 200-250 gr, traveling at 1200 fps. What makes you think it's just going to wound it? You sure need to read up on ballistics before you make uneducated comments.
Absolutely nothing wrong with a 410 if you use the right loads. How do you think it's going to be a bad choice? Please do explain so we can discuss it.

Woodyp, The 410 factory loads are expensive. That's what reloading is for. I plan on reloading all of my 410 and 12 gauge ammo myself. Since I don't use shot, I'll just have to load slugs. Can't stand hunting critters with birdshot.
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Well, it's a 35-40 caliber bullet, 200-250 gr, traveling at 1200 fps. What makes you think it's just going to wound it? You sure need to read up on ballistics before you make uneducated comments.
Absolutely nothing wrong with a 410 if you use the right loads. How do you think it's going to be a bad choice? Please do explain so we can discuss it.

Woodyp, The 410 factory loads are expensive. That's what reloading is for. I plan on reloading all of my 410 and 12 gauge ammo myself. Since I don't use shot, I'll just have to load slugs. Can't stand hunting critters with birdshot.
I guess I am missing something here
You are looking to buy a Mossberg 500 in .410
Then you are going to fire rifle rounds out of it in the winchester 35-40
The Mossburg is a smooth bore
How does this work?
If I am incorrect let be the 1st to say I am sorry...
There are ways to fire colt .45 out of a .410 but that is another story
Oh and by the way That 500 Mossberg is a great defense Fire arm
I had a self defense instructor say that was his favorite defense firearm...
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I guess I am missing something here
You are looking to buy a Mossberg 500 in .410
Then you are going to fire rifle rounds out of it in the winchester 35-40
The Mossburg is a smooth bore
How does this work?
If I am incorrect let be the 1st to say I am sorry...
There are ways to fire colt .45 out of a .410 but that is another story
Oh and by the way That 500 Mossberg is a great defense Fire arm
I had a self defense instructor say that was his favorite defense firearm...
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=20473

It works by reloading your own bullets. I think that should have been obvious, all things considered. It's not the first time it's been done, it isn't an original idea, It's just an idea that I like and I'm going to go with it.

Have you ever looked at reloading? Just asking, and if not, maybe you should give it a try. You can work up all kinds of plinking and hunting loads for all kinds of guns.
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http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=20473

It works by reloading your own bullets. I think that should have been obvious, all things considered. It's not the first time it's been done, it isn't an original idea, It's just an idea that I like and I'm going to go with it.

Have you ever looked at reloading? Just asking, and if not, maybe you should give it a try. You can work up all kinds of plinking and hunting loads for all kinds of guns.
Yes I have been reloading since the early 90s
Mostly shot gun loads
I have loaded about 60,000 rounds in that time
I hope the loads you are talking about work for you
Please let me know how they work for you
Please remember the pressures that can be reached when reloading
Many have ignored the pressures only to get hurt and loose fingers or worse
Also I do not know nor would I try the reloading you are going to do but a .410 with out a rifled barrel would concern me if I was going to try and shoot a rifle load
Again best of luck and please let us know how it works out I like learning new things...
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Yes I have been reloading since the early 90s
Mostly shot gun loads
I have loaded about 60,000 rounds in that time
I hope the loads you are talking about work for you
Please let me know how they work for you
Please remember the pressures that can be reached when reloading
Many have ignored the pressures only to get hurt and loose fingers or worse
Also I do not know nor would I try the reloading you are going to do but a .410 with out a rifled barrel would concern me if I was going to try and shoot a rifle load
Again best of luck and please let us know how it works out I like learning new things...
If you would pay attention you would realize I'm not shooting a rifle cartridge in the 410, it is simply a bullet in a shotcup, less than the maximum 410 loads, but more than the factory slugs for a 410.
How hard can it be to understand?

.358, .376 in a shotcup, or .401-406 without a cup, it's not THAT hard to understand.
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You can load .410 for about 3.00 a box. The bitch is finding a .410 loader at a good price.

I'd love to have a .410 pump to play around with, but I wouldnt hunt anything bigger than a squirrel with it.
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richis7, Why nothing bigger than a squirrel? It has the same velocity as a 12 GA, just slightly less shot. Compare 11/16oz to 1oz. Smaller bore, tighter pattern.
I'm going to work a load up for deer, and as far as the reloading goes, I guess since I'm not going to be loading any shotshells...
It'll be old school style, punch the primer out, press another one in, and load everything by hand. Just a little pet project, just like my 357 for deer is. I know for a fact it will work, I just want to do it myself.
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A solid bullet loaded into a shotcup in a smoothbore will mean zero stability for the projectile. When it leaves the shotcup inside five-ten feet of the bore, it'll immediately start to yaw and then to tumble. Your accuracy will be the first thing that suffers and then your fps will drop radically. You'll end up with a keyhole hit that will be deadly inside 50 yards or so and iffy outside that.

This being a survival group, though, and the point to that being doing what's necessary to survive....

You can load your shells with .44 bullets...just the bullets, not the cartridges. Take a solid lead .44 bullet and resize it to approx .41 cal....as teens, we used to ram them through a section of choked, cutoff barrel with a wooden dowel and hammer. With it resized, drill the bottom out to make a Foster-type slug. A 300-320gr .44 will make a great 200gr Foster. As long as you keep the finished projectile below 220gr, you can load it with common 1/2oz load recipes. Zero risk that way. If I were doing it today, I'd just go cast .41 cal bullets, but the starting weight isn't there so you'll end up in the 150gr range once drilled.

Use a knife to trim the petals off your shotcup and load the .41 bullet right into the hull, though. .41 plus petals could equal a bulged, hard to chamber shell.

Be smart and be careful.

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I really like the .410 too. I have a 500 mossy .410 and a double barrel .410/.45lc pistol. Good guns, I dont need a cannon to kill something. A lady not far from here killed a cougar with one and another lady killed her husband with one. I believe the .410 was created to turn the 303brit into a shotgun for prisoner control. They just bored out the barrels and made a shot shell. They were made to be man killers. I have killed deer with mine. 3.5 inch buckshot in one does the job. the slugs are good too.
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Why nothing bigger than a squirrel? It has the same velocity as a 12 GA, just slightly less shot.
Nice to see someone else realizes this.

So many people laugh at the .410, not understanding the physics of it. It's the same velocity (like you said), it just has a smaller amount of lead.

It'll put a hurting on someone (and many animals).
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