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Old 09-02-2013, 11:01 PM
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Don't laugh at me, Im a new homeowner with a limited budget trying to pump water from my own well if the SHTF.

I have a new holley blue electric fuel pump that pumps up to 110 gallons per hour.

I am thinking that with enough clean and sanitized fuel line, I could put this down the well casing (my well is 75 foot) and run it off of a 12 volt car battery and fill buckets, wash basins, etc.

Sound feasible? anyone else? thoughts, opinions, ideas?

http://www.holley.com/12-802-1.asp
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Im thinking about putting solar panels on my well, or digging a 2nd well and put a handpump on it.
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Don't laugh at me, Im a new homeowner with a limited budget trying to pump water from my own well if the SHTF.

I have a new holley blue electric fuel pump that pumps up to 110 gallons per hour.

I am thinking that with enough clean and sanitized fuel line, I could put this down the well casing (my well is 75 foot) and run it off of a 12 volt car battery and fill buckets, wash basins, etc.

Sound feasible? anyone else? thoughts, opinions, ideas?

http://www.holley.com/12-802-1.asp
Not sure how the later model pumps are made but the old ones actually submerged the contact points in the fuel. These were the old bendix type with diaphrams or bellows. Unless your water contains no minerals or mater, odds are it will short if it is made like these.

If you are 75 feet above the water level the pressure necessary to get to the top of the well alone will be around 32.5 psi and thenadd .433 lbs. per foot above that.

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You can get or make a hand powered pump that will work. I don't think your fuel pump will work. 1 lots of voltage loss in that much wire, 2 14 psi isn't enough to push the water to the top. 3 I think that design still has the computator and brushes in the fluid - will die for sure in water.
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Might work for awhile but auto electric fuel pumps are designed as pusher pumps rather than puller pumps. That's why they are normally mounted near the fuel tank as opposed to in the engine compartment.

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For short term purposes, or least until the gas runs out, do you have a generator yet that meets the requirements of your current pump? Even if you have to take out a loan. People thought I was crazy buying a generator on credit to meet my water needs.

Sure enough, not 2 weeks after I bought it, the line at the end of the road blew down, leaving me without power (which translates into water) for 2 days in the heat of the summer (105 to 110 degrees). Sure beat having to haul 300 gallons of water per day just for the livestock and no animals were lost.
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Try running a fuel pump on AC voltage, that will deal with any line loss. Just use a transformer with no rectifier bridge to step down the voltage. If the motor is a universal brush design that might work. If you've got a few bucks to burn, it's worth a shot.
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I mounted one of these ag-sprayer pumps under my hood and have used it on a few occasions while camping, your main concern is will it pull water up 75'.

Check with Tractor supply for a pump that will work.

http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/stor...er-pump-60-psi
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/24V-Submersi...item4d1021dd78

This one will pull it and should work with a battery or few.

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Don't laugh at me, Im a new homeowner with a limited budget trying to pump water from my own well if the SHTF.

I have a new holley blue electric fuel pump that pumps up to 110 gallons per hour.

I am thinking that with enough clean and sanitized fuel line, I could put this down the well casing (my well is 75 foot) and run it off of a 12 volt car battery and fill buckets, wash basins, etc.

Sound feasible? anyone else? thoughts, opinions, ideas?

http://www.holley.com/12-802-1.asp
You idea is not a bad idea in principal, but its clearly the wrong tool for the job.

As stated its a pusher, not a puller and in this case you are trying to pull from about 75', far cry from it sitting in a fuel tank and pushing it down to the engine a few feet away. Sure it will flow at 110 gph but at what pressure and at what distance? Showers are out of the question and I would be surprised if you could even get enough water to brush your teeth.

My pump house is 12 foot from the house, I have 60 lbs of water pressure, better then some cities and I run a full 2 HP pump on it to do it. My downwell pump is 3 HP which keeps the cistern full ( pulling water at 628' out of a 728' well). I could cheat and just use my downwell pump to run the house. But I would never get 60's psi on the 2nd fl of the house and the spikes would be large. As it is I have almost zero water spiking with my 2 hp motor and a 90 gal bladder. It also sits next to my cistern which holds 3500 gal. Just like city water.
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http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...2019_200332019

Been looking at this for a while and wondering if it would work. We have a spring 75' below our house and about 800' away. We use a well pump to pump the water up. Seems like from the specs this solar pump would work -- anyone ever tried something like this? Would love comments before springing $700 for something that wouldn't be a good solution in a power outage (long or short term).
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There is a simple and foolproof hand pump from an outfit called FloJack or similar down in AR I think it is...at 75ft, you are in their basic/easy range...they go all the way to 200 ft. This can be stored on the surface and ran in the well when SHTF and is needed. It is PVC so there is no rust...they offer a stainless steel version too. Think of this as a "rod pump"...the pump is at the bottom, with dual check valves...the motive force (you) is at the surface - pulling up and pushing down.

For short term needs, you really should have a genset ready to go. Doesn't have to be automatic...simple switching will make it safe...or, do what I do... Rig a pigtail plug with a dryer/stove male plug on one end and your standard nema twist lock on the other...that which matches the cord set you make for your generator...240v AC 1-ph. When the SHTF, go out and PULL your meter out of the wall...that's your "switch"...plug in your generator to your dryer/stove/welder plug, where ever you can get to one... Run the generator long enough to save your frozen foods, pump some water, run your ham radio at KW output, etc...and, then shut it down... most freezers will hold the temp below zero for 4 to 6 hours at a time...some longer...the run cycle may be 30-45 min or so...do the math and store some gas in used 55 gal drums... use a stabilizer in that gas! Good luck...we'll check you on the other side.
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Talking 12v well pump....

I have both a manual hand pump and a 12/24v submersible well pump.

Here's the well pump I have. And it works great off the solar elect sys.... When hooked up to 24v it has enough pressure to take a nice shower using an RV shower head!!!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Farm-Ranch-S...item35cb6f7e44
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You could probably get it to work at least for a while... but even then it would pump water extremely slowly. Filling a basin? You'll be there a while.

Why not just save some money and get a manual pump?

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I am not familiar with that make or model.
But that OP did say he intended to put the pump done in the well.
So it will be a “pusher” application.

Voltage drop and vertical head will be concerns though.
75 feet is a long way for 12VDC.
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just get a 12 volt bilge pump for a boat you can get them up to and in excess of 1100gph
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there are many hand pumps, just like you see on the old western movies.
simple to install, simple to operate, stay primed and you can remove and store it when you are gone.
give this search a look. even search for used ones. the working parts are simple to replace. a hand pump like this can work for decades.

https://www.google.com/#q=hand+pumps+for+wells

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http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...2019_200332019

Been looking at this for a while and wondering if it would work. We have a spring 75' below our house and about 800' away. We use a well pump to pump the water up. Seems like from the specs this solar pump would work -- anyone ever tried something like this? Would love comments before springing $700 for something that wouldn't be a good solution in a power outage (long or short term).
This may be a really slick way for you to go...did you read that review from the guy down in OK ??... very similar geometry/lift/etc.

Direct Solar only works IN THE SUNLIGHT...direct sun...partial days most common due to clouds or shadows, etc.. They make 24v panels, which would be the best way to go - they actually can peak above 30 volts...you might need a controller just for that reason... OR, to give you some limited water over night, or during long cloud deck coverage...consider ganging a pair of 105AH 12v deep cycle batteries on the system...run a remote switch back to the house so you could shut it down when needed, without the hike, eh?..

You will have some "pressure losses" in that long run...the up hill portion is well within the pump's capacity...I would suggest you run at least 1" PVC pipe - not that 1/2" stuff he used.. You are running a house on this, not some garden/stock tank. You also might want to consider a gravity feed cistern/tank for your daily usage too...maybe 500 to 2,500 gal, up at least 40 to 50ft ABOVE your highest toilet in the house..the conversion is 0.433 psi per foot..this would give you 16 to 20 psi for your house feed. IF you have a house pressure system, consider getting some more PV panels and an inverter to run it...then your day tank wouldn't need to be elevated, just high enough to flow/feed that pressure pump/system. IF you do this step, you may want to look at other electrical loads you want to run...size these PV panels and the charge controller and batteries with this TOTAL LOAD then in mind...

I envy your "surface water" alternative...we are well source only, at 220ft. Hence, I have gone the generator with fuel storage route for our water needs.

Good luck.
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Be kinda like my "X".... not enough stroke for the long pull!..... Sorry had to say it.
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These are hand pumps I've run accross. Some of these have a solar powered motor. I have a deep well (150') w. a static level around 40' - 50'

http://bisonpumps.com/
http://www.simplepump.com/404.html
http://www.pumpsandtanks.com/Pumps/o...escription.htm
http://www.ajayindustrial.com/india-...hand-pump.html
http://www.deanbennett.com/handpumps.htm
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