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Old 06-19-2017, 05:50 PM
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so, ive decided im going to phase out 9x18 for most uses, my mak will still be my EDC until i can figure out where to go next and something else to carry, but a big reason is i want something thats naturally subsonic for a quieter report and suppressor friendly, my 9x18 loads are a 95 grain XTP at around 1200fps, if i decide to reduce pressures and go subsonics then i am well within the realm of a 380.. besides .355" suppressors are much easier to find than .363"

however, a .380 pushes a 90 grain bullet at 1050fps from a 4 inch barrel, a 32acp pushes an 85 grain bullet at about 1050 from a 4 inch barrel (.32 is higher pressured), so difference in muzzle energy between the two is negligible.. the 32acp also achieves this with 0.5-1 grain less powder per round and can be fired from my AKs and mosins with chamber adapters.. so i will probably go all in as .32acp doubling as both a small game hunting round and deeper level EDC/CCW

i want to see if i can find a 32 cal CZ-83
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Are you not the guy that was advocating the AK/SKS in 7.62x39 for out to 500 yard SHTF hunting? If you can pull that off anything in a handgun you have will work just as amazingly I bet! Good luck and post us some youtube videos!
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7.65Br is high pressure. Same as 32ACP. The thing to watch for is SAAMI vs CIP. SAAMI has a max psi of 21,000 psi while CIP is 26,000 chamber psi.

Huge difference. I only shot CIP spec from my P32 and it ate the dust at a measly 3500 rounds. About 2500 of them were the S&B Nickel coated bimetal. Was noticeably warmer than anything else.
 
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9X19 147gr subs is what you seek.
Easy to find, easy to suppress, easy to find a great pistol in.
It feels like you're over-complicating it to me, but it's you money and stuff, so...
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I think it would cost you less money in the end to pick 4-5 centerfire rifle and pistol cartridges, and buy your weapons to match. Then handloaded the cartridges for unique applications.

Pick one semi auto pistol cartridge. I choose 40 SW and 10mm. Don't you own a CZ-75 in 9mm.
Pick one magnum revolver cartridge. I choose both 357 and 44 mag.
Pick one intermediate rifle cartridge. I choose 7.62 x 39, don't you own an AK of some type.
Pick one long range rifle cartridge. I choose both 308 and 270 Win.

Then buy a Dillion 550B
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9X19 147gr subs is what you seek.
Easy to find, easy to suppress, easy to find a great pistol in.
It feels like you're over-complicating it to me, but it's you money and stuff, so...
my idea is to stock up on 32 cal primarily for small game hunting with a pistol, something that can easily be tossed into a BOB and get anything up to deer at close range.. if there was a situation where i knew human on human conflict was imminent i would be carrying my rifle and not a handgun of any caliber
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I think it would cost you less money in the end to pick 4-5 centerfire rifle and pistol cartridges, and buy your weapons to match. Then handloaded the cartridges for unique applications.

Pick one semi auto pistol cartridge. I choose 40 SW and 10mm. Don't you own a CZ-75 in 9mm.
Pick one magnum revolver cartridge. I choose both 357 and 44 mag.
Pick one intermediate rifle cartridge. I choose 7.62 x 39, don't you own an AK of some type.
Pick one long range rifle cartridge. I choose 270 Win.

Then buy a Dillion 550B
ive actually consolidated to less than this, i used to use .308 and 45acp (i have a bersa thunder 45 UC pro) and also a 45acp carbine that could be suppressed, but i dropped out of 45acp when i dropped 308 for 7.62x39 and never really decided on a replacement for the 45 yet, i was never stockpiling 9x18 for a shtf scenario, it was just my EDC

if any shtf situation arises the AK stays with me at all times, a pistol at that point is just dead weight to me, at least the 32 cal would be adept at killing small game and deer close range, and its lethal against human sized targets if i need to use it as a backup.. unless those human sized targets are wearing level 2 body armor but hey, most handgun rounds aint going through that anyway so everyone gets shot in the pecker regardless

i wont be carrying 3-4 different firearms mostly overlapping in their uses so i have to cut it down to two and if i have the AK and a 9 mil, thats great for people or dogs but leaves me without a really good small game tool, with the AK and a 32 it has all my bases covered, defense against people, dogs, and a cheap, lightweight way of getting all the food i need

i know some people think they'll carry around an AR-15, a .308 rifle, a defensive sidearm, a shotgun, and a 22, but realistically nobody is going to carry all that much.. so you say pick 4-5? i say pick two and only one can be a longarm, that is more realistic
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Justin, how many rounds a week are you shooting?
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Justin, how many rounds a week are you shooting?
i shoot about once every 2 weeks, a couple hundred for rifle and about 50 for handgun, not as much as i used to, why do you ask?
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A .355 suppressor is more common than a .363 suppressor? Please explain.
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A .355 suppressor is more common than a .363 suppressor? Please explain.
i meant .365.. is .365 not sufficiently large enough to cause baffle strikes on a 9 mil suppressor? not that it matters since you no ones selling threaded barrels for them, nor could i get a 1-in-9.5 .365" barrel blank to make one, so a suppressor with a makarov for the most part just aint happening
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So your plan if SHTF is to carry a chamber adapter and broken case extractor so you can jam up the chamber of your primary weapon turning it into a single shot game getter?
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So you're going from a slightly anemic and slightly odd ball caliber ( don't get me wrong I love playing with the bulgarian mak on the range ) to a more anemic but a little less odd ball caliber?

In a world where a Kahr MK/PM/CM9 , Ruger LC9s heck even a SCCY exist why?
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So your plan if SHTF is to carry a chamber adapter and broken case extractor so you can jam up the chamber of your primary weapon turning it into a single shot game getter?
psst we're talking justin here

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i shoot about once every 2 weeks, a couple hundred for rifle and about 50 for handgun, not as much as i used to, why do you ask?
I was just curious.

And that's quite a bit actually. Enough to be proficient if you're using them well.
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Perhaps you aren't aware that bullet clearance to baffles is usually somewhere in the vicinity of a millimeter or so. Surely someone, who designs firearms and/or modifications to existing firearms, talks about CAD proficiency and chides those who can't strip a firearm down to component level and talks about building AK's with pretty much common household items as tools, would be able to mount a suppressor with .006" less clearance per side.
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If any shtf situation arises the AK stays with me at all times, a pistol at that point is just dead weight to me, at least the 32 cal would be adept at killing small game and deer close range, and its lethal against human sized targets if i need to use it as a backup.. unless those human sized targets are wearing level 2 body armor but hey, most handgun rounds aint going through that anyway so everyone gets shot in the pecker regardless
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i want to see if i can find a 32 cal CZ-83
Do you think you might be just a tiny bit optimistic on the .32 acp? Even as a backup? I think something like the 6.5 oz Keltec is a good last ditch deep cover, "get off me" gun, but if you're going to carry a 29 oz .32 acp CZ-83, maybe something a little more effective might be wise for your deer hunting and human sized targets?

Just a thought.....

And while a precision "pecker" shot would be painful, and likely eventually lethal w/o medical attention, it may not stop someone from doing the thing you were shooting at them for doing.
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It seems like you would be way ahead if you would just forget the nonsense that you are filling your brain with, and just get a good 9mm and suppressor.
Common, easy to find, easy to find parts for, cheap to shoot, readily available upgrades and aftermarket, standard across the world.

Instead of trying to reinvent the gun world, or make it fit your "unique" scenarios which are created you might just join the real world and standardize like most other people.

Then again...we wouldn't have these errant discussions about things with which to keep us preoccupied.

There are many, many available standard firearms, shooting standard calibers which will suit your applications.
As much as I cringe...a good used Glock 17 or 19 would suit your purposes much better than what you describe. They can be found for a reasonable price, parts and service and aftermarket stuff is limitless. No problem setting up for suppressed, if that is your desire. Standardize. It may no be exciting, but will certainly make your life more simplified.

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It seems like you would be way ahead if you would just forget the nonsense that you are filling your brain with, and just get a good 9mm and suppressor.
Common, easy to find, easy to find parts for, cheap to shoot, readily available upgrades and aftermarket, standard across the world.

Instead of trying to reinvent the gun world, or make it fit your "unique" scenarios which are created you might just join the real world and standardize like most other people.

Then again...we wouldn't have these errant discussions about things with which to keep us preoccupied.

There are many, many available standard firearms, shooting standard calibers which will suit your applications.
As much as I cringe...a good used Glock 17 or 19 would suit your purposes much better than what you describe. They can be found for a reasonable price, parts and service and aftermarket stuff is limitless. No problem setting up for suppressed, if that is your desire. Standardize. It may no be exciting, but will certainly make your life more simplified.

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Do you think you might be just a tiny bit optimistic on the .32 acp? Even as a backup? I think something like the 6.5 oz Keltec is a good last ditch deep cover, "get off me" gun, but if you're going to carry a 29 oz .32 acp CZ-83, maybe something a little more effective might be wise for your deer hunting and human sized targets?

Just a thought.....

And while a precision "pecker" shot would be painful, and likely eventually lethal w/o medical attention, it may not stop someone from doing the thing you were shooting at them for doing.
would you say a 380 is enough for self defense? how much difference is there between a 90 grain at 1050fps and an 85 grain at 1050fps? its about 15-20ft/lbs difference, the 32 has the advantage of being able to be chambered in AKs, mosins, M1895s and .32H&R/.327 fed revolvers

its a win/win situation, i get a small .32 cal pistol set up for small game hunting and stockpile ammo for it to use post shtf, it can take bigger game close range easier than a 22, better for emergency self defense than a 22, and in the more immediate future i can replace my makarov PM with a ruger LCR in .327 fed to use for EDC

but i may just keep using the makarov for EDC and focus on stockpiling small caliber ammo mostly for small game hunting
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