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I saw a quote in an article (https://www.yahoo.com/news/london-po...072226044.html) about the London attacks that, despite being about a tragedy, had a brief bit of humor in the context of a prepping/survival forum:

Most of the London Underground stations reopened in the neighborhood where the attack took place, allowing normal life and commerce to resume after more than 24 hours of lockdown. Some residents cooped up inside all day Sunday emerged from their homes for the first time since the attacks.

"We were all stuck!" said Marcia Rainford, a 58-year-old who said she was sealed into her building complex with her mother and two children.

"We got blocked in. One whole day," she said. Luckily she had a full fridge. "I always stock up!"


One whole day! God forbid there was some sort of attack or natural disaster that kept you cooped up longer than that. Good thing she had that fridge full, so she wouldn't have to turn to cannibalism on Day #2.
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Just imagine the consequences when a properly coordinated ISIL attack occurs and it turns out that the suicide bombers were actually infected with Smallpox or some other similar nasty.
I have absolutely no doubt it will happen.
At the moment we are only seeing disenfranchised individuals that have found a "cause" that they can use to justify their revenge on society.
When we start seeing proper organized attacks it will be much much worse.
Take Manchester, just imagine that bomber infected with a highly contagious disease
(other than Islam) and how far he could of spread that infection when he exploded.
Think of all the people that ran to help, all those that ran away, all the emergency workers.
One person could infect hundreds , yet thousands may be infected before health authorities realized something was really wrong.
Then after this event is eventually contained what are the consequences for future responses to attacks?>>>>>It may well mean the next time a bomb goes off the entire area is quarantined instead of sending in a rescue team.
Thoughts?
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Modern people have little concept of space and quarantine.

Historically, being confined to a single room or worse for days, even weeks is not unusual.

Cowboys confined to a line shack over a brutal winter, escaping slaves in hidden rooms often smaller than a modern closet, resistance fighters and escaped POWs in any space available.

A day? With heat, power, water, Internet? And food? This is hardship??
The horrors!!

Obviously this Brit at least has never known of 'The London Blitz', unless it was a drink at the local public house.

When it comes to certain things, you are on your own. This is reality, nothing new, nothing anyone else may never have experienced.

Wonder how she'd do with the power off for a week and a half and snowed in for two and a half weeks.

Could be a new "Survivor" show, watching the modern types self destruct when the WiFi goes out.
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Just imagine the consequences when a properly coordinated ISIL attack occurs and it turns out that the suicide bombers were actually infected with Smallpox or some other similar nasty.
I have absolutely no doubt it will happen.

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Think of all the people that ran to help, all those that ran away, all the emergency workers.
One person could infect hundreds , yet thousands may be infected before health authorities realized something was really wrong.

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Imagine what happens when the people from outside are sent in and return home before authorities figure out what happened. Couple that with a fairly long incubation period and we have another plague.
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I saw a quote in an article (https://www.yahoo.com/news/london-po...072226044.html) about the London attacks that, despite being about a tragedy, had a brief bit of humor in the context of a prepping/survival forum:

Most of the London Underground stations reopened in the neighborhood where the attack took place, allowing normal life and commerce to resume after more than 24 hours of lockdown. Some residents cooped up inside all day Sunday emerged from their homes for the first time since the attacks.

"We were all stuck!" said Marcia Rainford, a 58-year-old who said she was sealed into her building complex with her mother and two children.

"We got blocked in. One whole day," she said. Luckily she had a full fridge. "I always stock up!"


One whole day! God forbid there was some sort of attack or natural disaster that kept you cooped up longer than that. Good thing she had that fridge full, so she wouldn't have to turn to cannibalism on Day #2.

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I am afraid it's been bred out of most of the breed. A pity, truly. The Great War and its unintended consequences. That damn Kaiser Wilhelm II was as evil as Hitler in some ways.
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One whole day! God forbid there was some sort of attack or natural disaster that kept you cooped up longer than that. Good thing she had that fridge full, so she wouldn't have to turn to cannibalism on Day #2.
If we get put on lockdown for one or a few days, it better be during the week. I need a break from work.
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Just imagine the consequences when a properly coordinated ISIL attack occurs and it turns out that the suicide bombers were actually infected with Smallpox or some other similar nasty.
I have absolutely no doubt it will happen.
At the moment we are only seeing disenfranchised individuals that have found a "cause" that they can use to justify their revenge on society.
When we start seeing proper organized attacks it will be much much worse.
Take Manchester, just imagine that bomber infected with a highly contagious disease
(other than Islam) and how far he could of spread that infection when he exploded.
Think of all the people that ran to help, all those that ran away, all the emergency workers.
One person could infect hundreds , yet thousands may be infected before health authorities realized something was really wrong.
Then after this event is eventually contained what are the consequences for future responses to attacks?>>>>>It may well mean the next time a bomb goes off the entire area is quarantined instead of sending in a rescue team.
Thoughts?
Yes sir. The only problem being; that type of thinking is "crazy and paranoid" and your supplies are "hoarding". Until of course, it does happen and then you are "selfish" for not sharing and "cold hearted" for not doing something about it. Of course, if you try to explain you did try to do something about it, but were cast off as "racist, homophobic and bigoted", you are now just a jerk.

Thoughts?

Quarantine would be incredibly difficult. There are few towns/cities which can be easily blocked off - i.e. they are not built with surrounding walls, moats and other easy barriers to aid in a quarantine. Isolating a entire city metro area would result in tens of thousands, and in too many cases, quite possibly millions of deaths.

Any such agent could easily spread well outside any [likely] quarantine zone before anyone even knew a quarantine was needed. Personally, I am both thankful and surprised it has not happened yet.
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I absolutely refuse to obey any sort of quarantine whatsoever that is not of medical necessity. I don't give a rat's ass who is at large.

If there is a fight to be had, I want in.
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Well I dont think most Americans or Canadians living in large cities would do any better than the Brits. One thing in our favour is so many here are overweight they could live off their fat for months.
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I absolutely refuse to obey any sort of quarantine whatsoever that is not of medical necessity. I don't give a rat's ass who is at large.

If there is a fight to be had, I want in.
--Dunno about that. Was working in Boston after the Marathon bombings, and the following shutdown after the shootout in Watertown.

Along with the rest of the area our hospital was in complete lock down. When finally OK'd to leave it was recommended to drive SLOW all windows down & go directly home.

It was a creepy ghost town with police line of sight my entire drive home.
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Everyone is missing the point! Which is

""We were all stuck!" said Marcia Rainford, a 58-year-old who said she was sealed into her building complex with her mother and two children."


Sealed in all day with her mother and (perhaps) adult children? In some families, THAT would be grounds for bloodshed!

Or a sit-com.
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A whole day, huh? Two or three winters ago, I got stuck inside at home all day due to snow. Not a lot, but enough to not mess with the drive ways. I was stuck with the wife, father in law, and his cousin who had just gotten out of prison after 23 years.

We watched TV, or read, or went back to sleep. since we heat with wood, we all eventually ended up in the living room with the rest of the house closed off. Can't say that it bothered me all that much.

Other people my age might have, like, literally died, you know?
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Former Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Monday that the response of law enforcement officials to the Boston Marathon bombings should frighten Americans more than the attack itself.

In an op-ed titled “Liberty Was Also Attacked in Boston” for libertarian writer Lew Rockwell’s website, Paul likened the massive manhunt for suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to “scenes from a military coup in a far off banana republic.”
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Sealed in all day with her mother and (perhaps) adult children? In some families, THAT would be grounds for bloodshed!
My kids are still babies, but if my wife and kids were cooped up with my mother-in-law for more than about four hours, I think it'd be best if I found somewhere else to be for a good long while.
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Good grief, I go a week or more not leaving the property all the time, and during the winter it's frequent that I don't even put on my shoes and step outside for several days in a row. I don't consider it quarantine, I just have plenty to do right where I am. Some weeks in winter the only reason I leave the property is to go get Chinese food (to which I am addicted).
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Good grief, I go a week or more not leaving the property all the time, and during the winter it's frequent that I don't even put on my shoes and step outside for several days in a row. I don't consider it quarantine, I just have plenty to do right where I am. Some weeks in winter the only reason I leave the property is to go get Chinese food (to which I am addicted).
By choice. Not forced to do so under color of law.
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Well I dont think most Americans or Canadians living in large cities would do any better than the Brits. One thing in our favour is so many here are overweight they could live off their fat for months.
We always speak poorly of ourselves as a country for being "fat", but some things to ponder...

The definition of "overweight" and "obese" have been changed over the years to include more and more people, despite the fact that Americans have slowly reversed the trend of expanding waistlines and heavier weights. Yes, we're actually slowly getting less overweight.

We have this reputation for being fat, but we aren't even the fattest country in the world anymore. Mexico takes the top spot now. But funny, no one is making jokes or trash talking Mexico for being fat. If you include the Pacific Island nations, the US ranks 17th fattest in the world.

Just figured I'd add some unpopular reality into the discussion.
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Former Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) said Monday that the response of law enforcement officials to the Boston Marathon bombings should frighten Americans more than the attack itself.

In an op-ed titled “Liberty Was Also Attacked in Boston” for libertarian writer Lew Rockwell’s website, Paul likened the massive manhunt for suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev to “scenes from a military coup in a far off banana republic.”
Ron Paul is absolutely correct. He usually is.
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We always speak poorly of ourselves as a country for being "fat", but some things to ponder...

The definition of "overweight" and "obese" have been changed over the years to include more and more people, despite the fact that Americans have slowly reversed the trend of expanding waistlines and heavier weights. Yes, we're actually slowly getting less overweight.

We have this reputation for being fat, but we aren't even the fattest country in the world anymore. Mexico takes the top spot now. But funny, no one is making jokes or trash talking Mexico for being fat. If you include the Pacific Island nations, the US ranks 17th fattest in the world.

Just figured I'd add some unpopular reality into the discussion.
Well maybe but I sure see some big people that whaling ships would take a second look at.
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