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Old 02-04-2017, 12:25 PM
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i had used some oil bought at the beer store and i got to looking at the back and it said that it was not suitable for modern cars and that it was best for cars from the 30s or something. i think the brand was black knight. the label i noticed just said 10-40 or something. always looks at it or better yet just dont buy anything that isnt a major brand like penzoil. just a heads up. they should be ashamed for selling something like that.
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Hahaha where did you find that stuff?
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Also watch out for beer that's bought at motor oil stores.
 
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Dollar general carries it also.

Which brings up two points:

Always read the label before parting with your hard earned money.

And

IF the price it to good to be true it probably is not a good deal.

I've got a four wheeler I bough real cheap because the previous owner didn't read the label and put that crap in it. The engine is now seized up tight.
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I've also seen recycled motor oil that was packaged and sold at convenience stores that sell gas to motorist. I'm not a lawnmower, car or motor oil expert, and I know they can strain it, but I always thought that over time heat broke down motor oil.
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Back in the 1970s I sold a reclaimed motor oil called "Double Eagle" (blue & gold can). I hadn't thought about that in years! Thanks for the post!

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it needs to be outlawed, noone is going to pull into a store in a 30s car. the bottles look just like regular modern motor oils.
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Valvoline, CastrolGT, Amsoil, Mobile1.

That's the only oil I use. Pennzoil sucks.

Buyer beware.
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Valvoline, CastrolGT, Amsoil, Mobile1.

That's the only oil I use. Pennzoil sucks.

Buyer beware.
Agreed! However, Pennzoil PureONE filters are GTG.
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i had used some oil bought at the beer store and i got to looking at the back and it said that it was not suitable for modern cars and that it was best for cars from the 30s or something. i think the brand was black knight. the label i noticed just said 10-40 or something. always looks at it or better yet just dont buy anything that isnt a major brand like penzoil. just a heads up. they should be ashamed for selling something like that.
I think Black Night used to be labeled as "True Star." If it was labeled as API type "SC" oil - I don't see where anyone is being "fooled." I would never buy motor oil or trans-rear-axle lube without reading the classification code. Now, if you are saying they are printing bogus labels with incorrect API codes - that is different issue. I still have lots of stuff that can use "SC" oil and was used up to the middle 1960s.
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It sounds like non-detergent oil and probably doesn't have the additive "package" for anti scuff / foam / coking / etc.

It won't hurt anything if someone's just topping off the stick.

It's better to have the volume if you have to use that cheap stuff in a pinch, than to be low on oil.

What CAN cause damage is running the modern oil in an old engine that's been run on non-detergent oil all it's life

It will liberate the accumulated sludge and metals and wipe the engine pretty quickly, if it's got a lot of hours on it.
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Agreed! However, Pennzoil PureONE filters are GTG.
I usually use K&N, or Wix.
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It sounds like non-detergent oil and probably doesn't have the additive "package" for anti scuff / foam / coking / etc.

It won't hurt anything if someone's just topping off the stick.

It's better to have the volume if you have to use that cheap stuff in a pinch, than to be low on oil.

What CAN cause damage is running the modern oil in an old engine that's been run on non-detergent oil all it's life

It will liberate the accumulated sludge and metals and wipe the engine pretty quickly, if it's got a lot of hours on it.

Been there. Long ago when I was young and foolish I bought (very used) a 1954 Dodge panel truck. Six months or so later I started out from Boston to drive to Indiana. Had to abandon it somewhere around the Pennsylvania/Ohio border. First it started burning oil like crazy, then it ran a rod bearing.
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if it is indeed labeled that it is intended for use in older cars from the 30's up to say the early 70's then it most likely has a high zinc content in it, which would make it unsuitable for cars that have a catalytic converter, as it would tend to coat and clog up the platinum pellets that are usually inside of them, but is very good for the guys that still drive their old muscle cars, as the old engines need the zinc in the oil to help keep the camshafts and lifters from getting destroyed in the high lift cams that were prevalent back in the day. They DO sell a zinc additive, that can be bought at auto parts stores to supplement the oils made today, or you can also just use diesel oil instead, as it still uses high levels of zinc in it's manufacturing process. But again just remember if you are running a catalytic converter on your car, you will not want zinc in your oil.
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I would think if you just used it to top off you'll be fine.
When purchasing oil, be sure to check for the API "donut" symbol. Black Knight has not been certified by the American Petroleum Institute. Valvoline, Pennzoil, even Supertech sold at Walmart all have been certified.

http://www.pqiadata.org/BlackKnight1030.html
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As Tiger13 and others have said, it's probably just an older API classification. Depending on what API it is, it would be fine for an older car. In fact, it probably has a better additive package than the current API oils.

The current API is so narrowly defined that there is almost no difference in the quality of motor oils, and that includes synthetics. Also, it has very little anti-wear additive.

Royal Purple makes a synthetic oil which does not meet current API specs. It is recommended for late-model cars that are out of warranty, or for cars where you are more concerned about the health of the motor than you are about the warranty.

For my daily drivers, I use generic synthetic oils. Valvoline and Amalie are the primary suppliers of private labels. I can usually tell the Valvoline oils by the part number.

For my collector car, I use Royal Purple.
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if it is indeed labeled that it is intended for use in older cars from the 30's up to say the early 70's then it most likely has a high zinc content in it,.
Oddly - it is not the case. It has a low zinc and phosphate content. Even lower then then the newest SN oils. 500 PPM of each. MSDS sheet shows it is low on everything. Very little detergent and very low on anti-wear additives.
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Sorry if this is a duplicate link.
http://www.pqiamerica.com/Channel12%...k%20Knight.htm

This is terrible oil, might be okay in a lawn mower, but not in modern cars. I'm surprised they market it with a SB rating. Oils today carry a SE-SF rating. I own a hotrod and look carefully at oil. This has a very low ZDDP content.

I use either Brad Penn 10w-40 synthetic blend or Valvoline VR1 mineral based oil in my 355 SBC. I need the higher ZDDP levels since I have a flat tappet Lunati cam in it.
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This is terrible oil, might be okay in a lawn mower, but not in modern cars.
Lawn-mower oil tends to have a very high ZDDP content, just as most off-road racing oils have. Same for Shell Rotella T, Mobil 1 "High Mileage" and many others.

If someone was a quart low - and added some of the cheap beer-store oil - it would not hurt a thing. Having a crankcase full of it is a different story.
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it needs to be outlawed, noone is going to pull into a store in a 30s car. the bottles look just like regular modern motor oils.
If it was in bottles that should have been the 1st hint. I haven't seen oil in bottles in so long I forgot they did that.
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