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Old 11-09-2016, 07:47 AM
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wldwsel is one of the few people that has owned a diesel and then sold it for a gas engine. But he shows his obvious regret.
I owned a VW Jetta TDI, with the DSG transmission. It left my wife stranded when it was 3 weeks old. Some problem with the valve body (mechatronic unit) in the transmission. VW did not have a spare. So the car sat for over a month in the dealers lot, getting overspray on it.

After the car was returned to us, the transmission performed well and returned excellent MPG at about 42.

However, over the 70K miles I owned it, the number of repairs were truly stunning. From steer by wire problems to dragging rear brake calipers, failed wide-band O2 sensors (very expensive) and massive electrical problems. Left us stranded 4 times.

The final straw was the failure of the dual mass flywheel, a known issue. It's explosion and destruction transmission housing was particularly expensive. And at that point, I gave up. Sold the car. Best thing I ever did.
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I owned a VW Jetta TDI, with the DSG transmission. It left my wife stranded when it was 3 weeks old. Some problem with the valve body (mechatronic unit) in the transmission. VW did not have a spare. So the car sat for over a month in the dealers lot, getting overspray on it.

After the car was returned to us, the transmission performed well and returned excellent MPG at about 42.

However, over the 70K miles I owned it, the number of repairs were truly stunning. From steer by wire problems to dragging rear brake calipers, failed wide-band O2 sensors (very expensive) and massive electrical problems. Left us stranded 4 times.

The final straw was the failure of the dual mass flywheel, a known issue. It's explosion and destruction transmission housing was particularly expensive. And at that point, I gave up. Sold the car. Best thing I ever did.
VW had their good years and their not so good years, and better and worse models in the same years.

First VW I owned was a 2003 Jetta TDI mated to a 5 speed manual. That ALH engine was awesome. Never an issue with the transmission. Really loved that little car and had planned on driving it a LOT more miles. It routinely got over 50mpg and somewhere around 800 miles on a tank of diesel, which made it nice for longer trips. It got rear-ended and totaled.

I couldn't find another one like it and ended up getting a 2004 Jetta TDI, also with a 5 speed manual. It was the new BEW engine and had a serious problem with cam shaft wear. They narrowed the width of the lobes to make room for the fuel pump to run off of the cam and it just didn't work out as well. I didn't keep the car all that long.

A LOT of the VW's from that era had a very good reputation with the plain-Jane manual transmissions but a horrible reputation with the automatics. The convoluted DSG that came shortly after had a lot of people cussing, not sure if they ever worked the bugs out of 'em or not, didn't buy one, wouldn't.

Honestly, if I had a chance at a nice 2003 with a manual transmission, and it was a price I could afford, I'd jump on it. Nice ones are pretty rare anymore and nice ones still bring a high price. Most are getting a lot of miles on them by now.
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wldwsel is one of the few people that has owned a diesel and then sold it for a gas engine. But he shows his obvious regret.

You lump diesel European cars into one category. That is a big mistake.

Old diesel European cars (Benz 300 pre-1993, 1980s VW Rabbit and things of the like) are impressive vehicles. There was nowhere but down for them to go after that.

New diesel European cars are liabilities to own. Lease one. Scratch that. Lease TWO, because as soon as you get one back from the mechanic's shop, the other one will be going in.
 
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That was part of our discussion as the VW is so efficient. Thankfully her commute is about 8 miles each way. I warned her that the waggy is horrible on gas but she understands. We may look into doing a transmission swap for an overdrive 700r4. Gives a deeper 1st gear for easier stop amd go and the OD will help with any trips we make to wherever. Still, it will be no comparison but not paying a $460+ payment will pay for a lot of gas.

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If you get a late model VW, regardless of how good the MPG is.. You will spend an absurd amount of money on repairs. I know very few TDI owners who are not in consensus on this. New owners that are fresh off the lot with their first VW TDI are the only VW owners who don't know how unreliable they are. They are enamored with the car for about 2 thousand miles. Then it becomes a nightmare. How often do you like being stranded with your new car? Better have one SWEET infotainment center, because you're gonna need entertainment on the shoulder of the road while the towtruck comes.

I added up some costs when I was driving a VW TDI (2012). The amount of money that I was spending per month in repairs alone started to approach the cost of a mortgage payment. The last 3 months that I owned it were agony. The VW dealership workers were annoyingly snobbish. The "VW certified specialists" know nothing except how to spend your money chasing a laundry list of problems that they have no hope of ever fixing.

You can heed our warnings, or you can make the same mistake that I made. "oh those guys don't know what they're talking about, I'll be fine with a VWTDI"...

I warn you because if I can save somebody the same agony that I went through with that car, I will. Looking back, I wish somebody literally ran me over when I was on the way to that dealership to buy that car. That way, I would have been in the hospital for a few months relaxing on a bed with cute nurses around. Instead, I was on the shoulder of the road waiting for tow trucks and spending all of my savings trying to do the next repair to get the car back on the road.

The issues that I had were not maintenance related, either. This car was in the shop for repairs before the first oil change was due. It was in the shop AT MINIMUM once every 2 months since it was brand new. It never got better. I thought "oh well its a new car, we'll get the bugs out and it will behave once the quirks are gone". THEY ARE NEVER GONE. Go find a Marine Corps drill instructor to scream that message in your face until you feel bad for not understanding this before you even knew what a Volkswagen was.

Sorry if I made you feel bad or stupid for considering a modern day VW, but you're welcome.
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https://www.consumeraffairs.com/auto...volkswagen.htm

In other words, but literally ANY American car over ANY VW if you care about money.. or getting where you're going.. Or our economy..
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I gotta say take the buyout and reduce your debt load.

I see no technical way they can pass without either significantly reducing the efficiency or putting a retrofit SCR catalyst system in.

I doubt highly they do the latter.

Consider getting a 06 or older TDI Jetta, Passat or Beetle. Make darned sure you know the maintenance history of the car though.
I think thats probably your safest bet. I wont own another car newer than 1992 unless its a smart car. I dont have to make the super commute anymore after this week and I am tired of dealing with the bs of cars made after 1992 and keeping them emmision compliant. Besides newer cars arent built to last anymore and thats a huge amount of money to invest in something thats essentially disposable. Thats why I am still driving my 1989 Truck and loving it although better gas mileage would be nice. Im currently looking to also purchase a pristine 1987-92 Camaro RS my mechanic has sitting on his impound lot for 1100 bucks!
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I am, also a Jetta (2009) TDI owner and going (really struggling) through the claims process to take the buyout. Our Jetta is a great car but it now has 121,000 miles. That means a timing belt and water pump replacement is mandated and the cost of that (from VW) is $2200. We are on our second set of tires which means that we need to replace them now.

Most people on the TDI forum believe that the fix will be electro-mechanical, include the necessity of adding Blue Def to every tank full of fuel and will seriously erode the incredible fuel mileage and power.

We're taking the buyout although, true to form, VW has completely screwed the pooch on the claims process and has managed to **** off the 450,000 claimants who are driving TDIs. VW offered us $12,750 for the buyout. That's $5100 restitution for them lying through their teeth to us when we bought it and the rest is the NADA value of the car in September 2015 when the VW fraud was discovered.

Our paperwork (formal settlement offer) was completed and submitted on November 16 and we were supposed to be notified with five business days of our date to make the turn in and receive our settlement pay. But VW changed the timeline first to 10 business days, then 20 and now 90. They have a claims hotline where you can talk directly to them buy it is staffed with temporary hires who cannot answer any questions. They always promise that a VW employee will call in three days but thus far, NO ONE has ever received a call back.

I first bought a VW in the late seventies when I got a divorce and have had one ever since but not ever again

Now VW is having trouble selling bonds to raise money and are shopping for a line of credit from a bank. I am beginning to think we are about to see the end of Volkswagen.
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I am, also a Jetta (2009) TDI owner and going (really struggling) through the claims process to take the buyout. Our Jetta is a great car but it now has 121,000 miles. That means a timing belt and water pump replacement is mandated and the cost of that (from VW) is $2200. We are on our second set of tires which means that we need to replace them now.

Most people on the TDI forum believe that the fix will be electro-mechanical, include the necessity of adding Blue Def to every tank full of fuel and will seriously erode the incredible fuel mileage and power.

We're taking the buyout although, true to form, VW has completely screwed the pooch on the claims process and has managed to **** off the 450,000 claimants who are driving TDIs. VW offered us $12,750 for the buyout. That's $5100 restitution for them lying through their teeth to us when we bought it and the rest is the NADA value of the car in September 2015 when the VW fraud was discovered.

Our paperwork (formal settlement offer) was completed and submitted on November 16 and we were supposed to be notified with five business days of our date to make the turn in and receive our settlement pay. But VW changed the timeline first to 10 business days, then 20 and now 90. They have a claims hotline where you can talk directly to them buy it is staffed with temporary hires who cannot answer any questions. They always promise that a VW employee will call in three days but thus far, NO ONE has ever received a call back.

I first bought a VW in the late seventies when I got a divorce and have had one ever since but not ever again

Now VW is having trouble selling bonds to raise money and are shopping for a line of credit from a bank. I am beginning to think we are about to see the end of Volkswagen.


Good post. My wife asks me daily if I heard anything from VW. It's getting old telling her no. We did the online stuff in September. All I see on the website are where we uploaded the proper info and they are reviewing it. Tried calling the chosen stealership a few weeks ago and the lady didn't know squat. I may physically drive by there this week and see if I can find someone with something resembling a clue. Each month is another car payment and we have to carry her car with full coverage insurance. We have about 55k miles on it and after the 30000 mile service (over a $1000.00!) and new tires about 4 months ago, I'm done. Tired of putting money towards a vehicle I will be turning in. We sure didn't lease it for Christ sake.


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Received my buyback date from VW this morning. Finally see some light at the end of the tunnel (and it's a check, not a train)
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Received my buyback date from VW this morning. Finally see some light at the end of the tunnel (and it's a check, not a train)


They email it to you?
We did the online stuff and uploaded the required docs. When does this acceptance letter needing to be notarized show up? We've been patient for months but haven't heard anything. Are we missing something? Need to do something else?


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Swap the TDI engine into an old flat fender....

j/k, I hope you get it all worked out soon.
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My sis has the VW Jetta TD. She has a territory for work, so she had to have something reliable and economical. She loves the car... but she parked it and bought something to get her through giving her car back to VW and getting a payout.
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So today we (FINALLY!!) got the offer letter from VW. We ran to the dealership to have it notarized and submitted. We then get an email asking us to select a turn in date. Yea! Uh... wait a minute. First available date is in TWO MONTHS!!! Wtf VW!!!


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So today we (FINALLY!!) got the offer letter from VW. We ran to the dealership to have it notarized and submitted. We then get an email asking us to select a turn in date. Yea! Uh... wait a minute. First available date is in TWO MONTHS!!! Wtf VW!!!


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Good. Now take a good hard look at an F150, 2.7L Ecoboost pickup truck. Reliable as a stone, good MPG if driven carefully, and fast as can be. I drive 2 F150's, one for work and one at home. Both are amazingly reliable. But the Ecoboost one get's mid 20's MPG when driven carefully. And 29 MPG when driven 70 on the highway, cruise control on, AC off. That is truly incredible.
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Good. Now take a good hard look at an F150, 2.7L Ecoboost pickup truck. Reliable as a stone, good MPG if driven carefully, and fast as can be. I drive 2 F150's, one for work and one at home. Both are amazingly reliable. But the Ecoboost one get's mid 20's MPG when driven carefully. And 29 MPG when driven 70 on the highway, cruise control on, AC off. That is truly incredible.


I agree the ecoboost is a good platform. So is the dodge 1/2 ton diesel. I don't see us moving to anything new very soon. We have a lot of hard work to dig out of this debt so we are going to tighten up the belt and make some hard choices. For the short term we will make her 91 Grand Wagoneer more road worthy and reliable. That gives her a daily driver with 4wd that she can use for work etc. Its built like a tank and something she actually thinks is "cool". The fact it's paid off means no car payment and lower insurance. Obviously fuel mileage will be vastly different but her commute is 8 miles each way. I think we can make this work ok while we begin to try and reverse this situation we are in.
Maybe when we are out of the red and have a margin of safety again we can revisit the idea of getting her something new. For now... it is what it is.


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Saw this today... good!

Rpt: FBI Arrests Volkswagen Exec on Fraud Charges
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2...d-charges.html


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