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Have you guys seen the sherp?

https://youtu.be/kV4_yUxQdeE
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Here's what I think is important:

1. EMP Resistant - If it won't go, it's not a vehicle anymore. Simple systems, extra parts, crank start, generators instead of alternators, etc.

2. Bullet Resistant - If you can't take a few pistol and maybe a rifle hit and keep going, that's not good.

3. An ability to return fire while still behind protection.

4. Ability to carry and care for a liter patient. People get hurt or maybe just need to take a nap.

5. Off road capable with a full load.

6. Communications suite, HAM radio is good.

7. Protected bulk fuel and water storage.

8. Remember that planning and avoiding fights is the key to success. You're not invincible, just a more difficult target, to make the bad guys attack someone else.
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Here's what I think is important:

1. EMP Resistant - If it won't go, it's not a vehicle anymore. Simple systems, extra parts, crank start, generators instead of alternators, etc.

2. Bullet Resistant - If you can't take a few pistol and maybe a rifle hit and keep going, that's not good.

3. An ability to return fire while still behind protection.

4. Ability to carry and care for a liter patient. People get hurt or maybe just need to take a nap.

5. Off road capable with a full load.

6. Communications suite, HAM radio is good.

7. Protected bulk fuel and water storage.

8. Remember that planning and avoiding fights is the key to success. You're not invincible, just a more difficult target, to make the bad guys attack someone else.
Pretty sure the only thing that meets all your criteria is:

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I like this one. Max off road capability for 4 with 7.62x39 AP bullet resistance. Fully air-conditioned. Can be fitted with a gunner's position with shield. They used some new British armor. Combat proven with U.S. Spec Ops. Not for use in urban/IED environments. Saw one for sale, once for $100 k+. Out of my price range.

They used off-the-shelf parts, so spares shouldn't be an issue. Lightweight with protection so what's not to like. Shows what can be done if your priorities are reasonable and narrowly focused, rather than trying to be all things to all people.
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You might want to keep in mind that when you have a gas hog you'll need to also have a gas tanker to go with it...

I'd stick with something small...
Post-SHTF all gas stations and repair shops will remain open for the rock crawlers.




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... I might think differently if I were a mechanic and wanted a tinker toy and actually enjoyed working on them.
Much of these conversations come down to this.

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I've owned and destroyed or near destroyed everything in that list apart from the Toyota. Never owned one of those. The Land Rover was definitely capable off road. Expensive to replace parts though.
Thankfully Post-SHTF all of us will have un-limited funds and repair parts will be plentiful.

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Thankfully Post-SHTF all of us will have un-limited funds and repair parts will be plentiful.

We will run out of gas long before any halfway decent car breaks down anyhow.
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My choice is my 1981 Toyota Odyssey motorhome. It is 4 cyl, gets great gas mileage, it is a 4 speed and goes most anywhere I need it to. Parts are plentiful and cheap and I live in it. It withstands wind storms of 60+ MPH and a 7.0 earthquake every time I drive it. It has solar, sat tv, wet bath, generator, ham radio, wifi amplifier, cellular amplifier etc...all the comforts of home. And it's EMP proof...not a computer anywhere...well, except for the laptops and tablets. So, bring it on zombies!
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An up armored Rufus.

(Tongue firmly in cheek.)

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It looks like we are talking more rural type settings. Being in the Northwest a more nimble vehicle with a small wheel base would be more appropriate. All mountains, muddy creeks (you can't go a mile without having to cross one in some places around here) and trees.

With that in mind:







Yeah but after just one winter without massive road/trail clean-up, nothing is getting very far into the cascades, or any mountain range, that isn't on two (or maybe four) legs.
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My brother worked at the Grasberg mine in Indonesia for 5 years which is in some really rough terrain. It's so steep with bad roads (nothing paved) that he said he was in 4L about 75% of the time. As an engineer, he was provided a company vehicle and he could choose either a diesel Toyota Land Cruiser 70 Workmate (not available in the US) or the overseas version of a diesel Ford Explorer. He was advised to go with the Toyota and he said he was very glad he did. His Toyota lasted him his entire 5 years while he said the guys with Fords completely wore them out every 2 years.

Now that he's back in the states, he's bought and refurbished an old Toyota FJ45 with a Chevy 325, locking differentials, 34" tires, and a nice winch which he routinely takes on weeklong trips to Moab or the San Rafael Swell and he swears by it.

I'd love an older Toyota Land Cruiser, but the ones I see for sale are almost always overpriced. With all that being said, I'm a pretty mechanically inclined guy, so I'd be happy with just about any 70's 4WD truck or SUV.

Right now I'm driving a newer 4WD, 4-door Nissan Frontier. I'm under no illusion that it's the best truck out there much less close to the ideal SHTF vehicle, but the deal was too good to pass up at the time and it meets my needs. Minus an EMP scenario, I'll make it work for my SHTF vehicle.
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Wow! One horse power!

A true prepper tool.
lawn mower
fertilizer spreader
pulling tool
companion
food

Multipurpose tool at it's best.

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Have you guys seen the sherp?

https://youtu.be/kV4_yUxQdeE
Reminds me of a Weasel, except its got big tires instead of tracks...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE73jfguqhQ




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Pretty sure the only thing that meets all your criteria is:

Actually, his list brought to my mind, a Bren Gun Carrier...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAzsR4AzuGI




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I spent 10 years in the Army and always assigned a Hummer. Nothing but problems. Always nearly deadlined or deadlined.

They look robust but something was always breaking on them. I'm not a mechanic and only did the driver/operator maintenance. The motor pool folks did the rest but our entire company had vehicles with problems and that was in the 25th and again in the 101st.

I'd never want to own one of those things based on my experience with them.

I might think differently if I were a mechanic and wanted a tinker toy and actually enjoyed working on them.

But I want something that just works which those didn't. One of the vehicles in my unit only had 20+k miles on it and it was deadlined the entire three years I was in Hawaii. It was practically new and they never did get it working.
What the 25th and 101st (and the entire USMC) knew/know about vehicle maint wouldn't fill a small postcard.

TWENTY THOUSANDS HMMWV mile in HI?? That is going to truly be some rode hard and put up wet time. That is YEARS of use in the US ARMY and a high mile HMMWV.

After the initial problems of breaking alternator shafts in the 1985-87 the HMMWV has been fairly trouble free. If the operator is ACTUALLY pulling his PMCS. Deadline for THREE years? Is this in the Obumer days/gut the military????
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I went for small but that's what's needed in the area I will be staying. Most of all find a rig you like and fits your personal needs. I went for a Sidekick because its cheap, small, easy to find parts for and easy to work on. There are tons of mods for the older Suzuki's. One other thing to think about, how many of the same type of rigs are in the area you are bugging out to? This makes parts easier to get.

If you like to do your own work, small means lighter parts so you can finish most things by yourself. Changing say a transmission in a full size pickup requires two people, jacks or?

You can make the rig haul more with a small trailer or rack.

Most of all find something you like, its much easier to find time for things you like.
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Though that is true, the fact that they have a low center of gravity and are wider than the average vehicle helps prevent them from flipping. I've seen an HMMWV go up an incline that a Jeep flipped on. They can also be modified (from what I saw on some website a while back) to be more fuel efficient and have more horse power. As to how accurate that is, I'm not sure. But I've always loved the HMMWV and would love to own one just for the heck of it. Either way, I'd have other vehicles to bug out in as well.
Yes the HMMWV's low slung design does make it more stable on sidehills and steep inclines but the Jeep's shorter wheelbase had more to do with it flipping in your example then anything else. Which is why full sized trucks routinely make things look easy on obstacles that Jeeps (and other short wheelbase vehicles) have to struggle on.

But unless you live in wide open spaces the HMMWVs width and low ride height are more of a hindrance then a benefit.

In the real world you would be much better served by a shortbed 1ton SRW diesel 4x4 pickup then a HMMWV.
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My brother worked at the Grasberg mine in Indonesia for 5 years which is in some really rough terrain. It's so steep with bad roads (nothing paved) that he said he was in 4L about 75% of the time. As an engineer, he was provided a company vehicle and he could choose either a diesel Toyota Land Cruiser 70 Workmate (not available in the US) or the overseas version of a diesel Ford Explorer. He was advised to go with the Toyota and he said he was very glad he did. His Toyota lasted him his entire 5 years while he said the guys with Fords completely wore them out every 2 years.

Now that he's back in the states, he's bought and refurbished an old Toyota FJ45 with a Chevy 325, locking differentials, 34" tires, and a nice winch which he routinely takes on weeklong trips to Moab or the San Rafael Swell and he swears by it.

I'd love an older Toyota Land Cruiser, but the ones I see for sale are almost always overpriced. With all that being said, I'm a pretty mechanically inclined guy, so I'd be happy with just about any 70's 4WD truck or SUV.

Right now I'm driving a newer 4WD, 4-door Nissan Frontier. I'm under no illusion that it's the best truck out there much less close to the ideal SHTF vehicle, but the deal was too good to pass up at the time and it meets my needs. Minus an EMP scenario, I'll make it work for my SHTF vehicle.
While in the US it's Jeeps that are the King there is a reason the Toyota Land Cruiser is the biggest selling (by a huge margin) 4x4 vehicle in the WORLD.
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I don't know...... something a little less obvious maybe. Something the road bandits, and "gubermint" pollywogs wouldn't at all be sure they wanted so bad they'd be willing to kill you, and your family for it. Something like a ratty "looking" big ol' station wagon, or Suburban with some dents, rust, and primer, and a strong overbuilt drive train, and suspension, maybe some ballistic protection, a switch so you could make it have rough running motor, and a little pump you could squirt a little oil into the exhaust so it would blow a little smoke.

Just a thought. Gray man you know.
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Here are some of my brother and my rigs, Its all about the scouts samis and Yotas!
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A former co-worker of mine had a modified Samurai. He lifted it, did some suspension work, different tires and minor engine mods. You would be very surprised how that light weight vehicle did off road and he did not have a lot invested like in it.

We used one the day after Hugo. We went across Sumter, took 45 minutes. That dang thing crossed whatever we had to, trees, mud, deep water anything. As good as my CJ did. Wish I could find one now! There are more camels in SC than Sami's for sale!
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