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I thought that the move toward 3-round bursts was largely due to barrels over-heating.
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Search 'mad minute drill'
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UK servicemen were getting insane rate of fire out of bolt action rifles with incredible accuracy due to one small thing.... Practice, practice, practice and...... More practice
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This Guy Could Break the “Mad Minute” Record
Børklop’s rate of fire, 16 rounds in 25 seconds, is the equivalent of 38.4 rounds in 60 seconds. That’s a notable number because the record for the “Mad Minute”, a British Army marksmanship drill, is 38 rounds in one minute. That record was set in 1914 by Sergeant Instructor Alfred Snoxall, and still stands. So as you watch Børklop, keep in mind that Snoxall shot that fast for a full minute with a Lee-Enfield nearly 100 years ago!

Børklop has an average cycling time of 1.56 seconds per shot, starting with a round in the chamber. To beat the record of 38 rounds, he would need to make seven mag changes in sixty seconds. All those mag swaps could reduce his average time per shot, making it difficult to achieve 38 hits in a minute. But, if Børklop could use 10-round mags with his Sauer STR, this guy has the skills to break the record.

To emphasize the capabilities of the WWI-era British shooter who set the record, Snoxall shot as fast as Børklop does, but Snoxall reloaded with stripper clips. Snoxall’s SMLE (Lee-Enfield) rifle also had relatively crude open sights and the stock was far less ergonomic than Børklop’s Sauer STR stock.
 
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UK servicemen were getting insane rate of fire out of bolt action rifles with incredible accuracy due to one small thing.... Practice, practice, practice and...... More practice
Everything old is new again. Hundred years ago many soldiers were able to shoot Mosins at about 45 rounds a minute. Who cares? This is still about 1/12-1/15 rate of full auto fire.
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I thought that the move toward 3-round bursts was largely due to barrels over-heating.
Yes accellerated barrel wear was a major factor, but ammo conservation was the primary reason.

The thought after Vietnam was 3 shots effectively stay on target (climbing), similar to a Mozambique drill. Any additional ammo is wasted as hi flyers.

Also they found some soldiers under the stress of war would empty an entire magazine at a shadow without thinking. Tri burst on the other hand requires a second of reprocessing and would take more active thought to empty the magazine.

Personally I never saw a need for triburst in rifle calibers (F/A yes, but not burst)...but in high rpm pistol calibers like the mp5/mp5k, the 2 and 3 round burst is a whole different animal.
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How will I fight? Against Autos? ... good for you guys to have semis!

I'll be fighting with a crudely fashioned bow and arrow at this rate! Wish us luck haha
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Be a low down, sneaky, cheating mothereffer. Hit them from a distance. Then identify the next highest threat, shoot them in descending order.

Who to shoot first:
1. Snipers or sharp shooters
2. Machine gunners
3. Radiomen
4. Sgt type people
5. Leaders
6. Medics
7. Cannon fodder

Your preferences may vary. Especially in absence of any of those categories. What will take precedence is a closer threat, which is just shoot the bastard before he shoots you. Wait till they reload, then shoot them as much as possible/needed.
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well so far almost every answer given on this topic has been wrong, very wrong. the Hiker at least has a clue. its kind of like reading an episode of the walking dead, you know the show where the main character is so punch drunk he keeps getting his people killed making bad decisions?
How to fight people armed with automatics when you have only bolt and semi firearms?

you need only to watch and LEARN from the world news. IEDs, truck bombs, trip wires , booby traps, incendiary devices, using undetonated things that are laying around, mustard gas, and last but not least, follow them home and poison their water. no muss no fuss. Come back a few days later and pick up all the machine guns and ammo you need. this is how the isils, Muja hadeens, the people of the world that still live in the dark ages are doing it, RIGhT NoW, TODAY, and with great success. from the middle east, to Africa, to Spain, to Paris, to the Boston marathon , to the Japanese subways, to the twin towers to Oklahoma city via some ******* named McVeigh.

it only saddens me to hear about the full auto guns in Nam, the full auto guns in Iraq, the full auto guns in afgani, all places that the us has abounded, or gave up on after losing precious American lives to take it. it just makes me sick to my ****in stomach.
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Everything old is new again. Hundred years ago many soldiers were able to shoot Mosins at about 45 rounds a minute. Who cares? This is still about 1/12-1/15 rate of full auto fire.
GG42 - 42 rounds a minute of ACCURATE fire vs 150 rounds of 'Spray and Pray'........

I think the round on target rate makes a 'human machine gun' with a bolt action more preferable to a waving a chunk of metal around and hoping to hit something
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Multiple shooters, from multiple directions, and from maximum effective range, then retreat to strike again.
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Ill invite them all over when my step daughter is cookin. She'll sucker them in with a hair flip, theyll all be dead from food poisoning before dessert, if theres any survivors my 6 year old grand daughter will finish em off. Cuz shes papas little girl
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Distance distance distance and a good rifle.

The M1 Garand had iron sights for up 1200 yards.

Only a few could use them with any skill but a squad could make it hell for a enemy caught in the open at that range.

I have a oct 1945 unissued gov springfield armory M1 Garand that i got back in 1970s from CMP when i was in the navy.

I have since converted it to a M1 scout rifle with a long eye relief mil dot scope.
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If i have you at a range between 200 feet a 600 yards in the open you will not know what hit you. i dig in and fire just one shot then wait.

If i miss the target will not be able to pinpoint me enough the return fire.

If he returns fire at full auto it a big waste of ammo.
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Automatics are good for 2 things. Suppressive fire and close range work.

If I were ever in a gunfight, I would prefer that my enemies had automatics versus accurate, semi auto fire
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Forget about that "Spray and Pray" stupid stuff. A Nice flat shooting bolt action with a Nice scope and a decent field of fire and the Bad Guys are Toast at at least 1,000 yards. Think Barrett.
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armed AMERICANS Outnumber Military & NG 20 TO 1 (Inside continental united States )
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Learn how to shoot well and buy longer range weapons.
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Default How to fight people armed with automatics when you have only bolt and semi firearms?

I would with the right length barrel any single shot capable rifle would be enough to suppress the hoard..

If you have the capacity to fire 1,000 + rounds make sure every shot counts..


Sad to say if the person is active or former military and is a marksman in stretch of imagination will likely kill more people than any fool with a hunting rifle..

I think military personnel will last longer than joe public and that is a fact of life..
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I'm not too concerned about someone who can spray 28 rounds downrange in mere moments. I'm more concerned about the fellow who only needs one
when someone is shooting at yu. its hard to say how yu will react. if you can keep cool then 1 shot is all it will take.hell your gonna die sumtime anyway.
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Better yet would be two people with a garand rifle set at 600 yards. One would shoot and the other would use a spotting scope. The one with scope would note where the bullet hit and give correction left to right, up or down to the shooter.
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Default How to fight people armed with automatics when you have only bolt and semi firearms?

I heard that the Army just announced they will be replacing the M16/M4 with the Savage 110 in.30-06 (.308 is just too underpowered). The M249 will be replaced by Winchester 94s in .30-30 while the GPMG will be Marlin Guide Guns in .45-70, to increase stopping power.


I swear, the way people talk on the internet........

ETA: "They, would, if it wasn't for the military-industrial complex! The brass is risking our boys lives everyday giving them little squirrel guns that jam every magazine!"

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