Originally Posted by Frankthered
Originally Posted by fragout
Would one rifle with the capability to fire in manual operation as well as the capability to fire in semiautomatic form via a simple turn of a slot screw in less than 2 seconds qualify here?
My one rifle for all purpose use ( hunting bunny's to bison, and all forms concerning security) has been the same rifle since 2005.
A custom built M14S tanker using a Norinco reciever, 18in chrome lined tube, synthetic stock, ARMS18 mount, 20rd cmi ss mags, and a spindle valve that works.
Small game hunting via rifle in survival mode uses either my subsonic loads, or 32acp chamber insert ( with or without a can), and spindle valve closed. A fast, simple, and reliable means of allowing the rifle to fire while preventing any residue from entering the gas cylinder. Also keeps the action noise quiet at the initial shot especially.
Very fast an easy to switch out to full on 308 commercial hunting ammunition capable of dropping any critter in this hemisphere with one shot out to 400 yards plus, or 7.62x51mm FMJ/ OTM in manual operation or semi.
If the rifle cannot have any semiauto capability whatsoever via this thread, then it would have to be my Ruger 18in bbl ss lh GSR with can. ( I have plenty of 32acp , 308 commercial, and 7.62x51mm stocked plus reload for it)
If I was stacked deep enough in 3030, I would have no problems using my lever action rifle either.
Not sure if a handgun is allowed to go for a ride alongside this rifle, but if its allowed for the purposes of this thread, mine would be me Ruger mk4 22 45 lite with can and std velocity ammunition. Primary purpose = small game and secondary " last ditch" defense firearm.
No thats cheating
However, that sweet rig you got there.
Originally Posted by fragout
I agree with you, and for additional reasons in any terrain including urban. In terms of weight, 9mm is right there with 5.56mm. 357magnum and 30 carbine are close in weight with 7.62x39mm and 300 blackout. 44magnum is on par with 7.62x51mm.
After using all cartridges and then some against our feral pig population, 44 magnum comes close in terms of what I require via consistent terminal effects at relatively close distances. For the same weight per rd carried, I gain much more in terms of performance at much greater distances via 308.
32acp via chamber insert weighs less than 38spl optimized for small game. My sub loads are right on par with what 357mag can achieve. In short, 308 (or 3006 for that matter) are much more versatile than 357mag or 44mag in what the end user has in terms of operational/ practical and options there in.
Rifle itself weighs in at 8.5 lbs and OAL= 39 inches. A fully loaded 20rd M14 mag= 1.5lbs
Having a rifle and handgun in the same caliber is not an advantage to me in the least. ( Even if a sidearm is allowed for this thread) At any rate, Im a better shot using my 22/45 lite compared to my gp100......and this coming from a revolver fan.
Great point. I didn't even consider this when I mentioned lighter ammo. At this point being recoil sensitive, or have an abundance of pistol ammo, would be the only solid reasons to go with a pistol caliber rifle.
Originally Posted by Stophel
I do wonder just who many of you think you will get into a shootout with.... zombies, I suppose...
My enemy probably won't be roving bands of starving savages, but far more likely well-armed, well-armored soldiers with the advantages of IR, night vision, full auto, artillery, rockets, drones, and spy satellites that can see me (and you) everywhere, all the time.... I figure I might get a few shots off, at best...
As far as the savages go, I can guarantee I'm a more effective shot than any of them, with whatever gun I have.
Looters are my idea of a potential threat one could encounter should the day comes that the majority of the population wakes up without running water or electricity, and all the hardship that would come with it.
Military troops, with armor and artillery? Only a fool would attempt to hold a defensive position against such an adversary, with only small arms. One of those fools wouldn't me. IED's, ambushes, chemical attack, blowing up train track (and other forms of sabotage), etc would be the only effective means for an under equipped fighter to push back
In addition ,looters, whom will or won't possess the same weaponry as oneself, I see fending of groups of them ,from the safety of ones home, as realistic course of action.
125gr Hornady reduced recoil ( 308) SST fired thru an 8.5lbs M14S has about the same " felt recoil" as my Mini14 and 55g. GSR using same ammo " feels" like shooting an 80gr 243 via 110 Savage. With that said, everyone seems to perceive felt recoil in a different light.
Would agree that a 9mm carbine would get the nod if 9mm was the only cartridge stocked however......
What I get out of this thread = a general purpose rifle that allows as many options as possible within any types of terrain, climate, etc..... As discussions go, all types of scenarios pop up and most have to do with some type of direct fire altercations with other 2 legged critters. Regardless of anything else, I would prefer my specific semi auto rifle for any type of conflict regardless of any known or unknown factors about a threat .
Since this rifle has to be manually operated only, I would stick with the GSR, even thou I loves my " 336 Marlin".
As to hunting, I haven't seen a noticeable difference between 308, 7mm08, 270, and 3006 in the field after the critters are in the dirt to matter.