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Other religions are cults too. The difference is the command to commit Jihad in the way of Allah.

Nobody cares where you might go to church on Sundays. If Islam were only a religion there would be no conflict. The world wide domination by use of violence is inherently problematic.

The leaders of the free world need to answer this challenge. HINT: Denial is not an answer.
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My turn to weigh in on this topic.

Sooner or later, any discussion of apologetics with Fundamentalists will address the Inquisition. To non-Catholics it is a scandal; to Catholics, an embarrassment; to both, a confusion. It is a handy stick for Catholic-bashing, simply because most Catholics seem at a loss for a sensible reply. This tract will set the record straight.

There have actually been several different inquisitions. The first was established in 1184 in southern France as a response to the Catharist heresy. This was known as the Medieval Inquisition, and it was phased out as Catharism disappeared.

Quite separate was the Roman Inquisition, begun in 1542. It was the least active and most benign of the three variations.

Separate again was the infamous Spanish Inquisition, started in 1478, a state institution used to identify conversos—Jews and Moors (Muslims) who pretended to convert to Christianity for purposes of political or social advantage and secretly practiced their former religion. More importantly, its job was also to clear the good names of many people who were falsely accused of being heretics. It was the Spanish Inquisition that, at least in the popular imagination, had the worst record of fulfilling these duties.

The various inquisitions stretched through the better part of a millennia, and can collectively be called "the Inquisition."

Fundamentalists writing about the Inquisition rely on books by Henry C. Lea (1825–1909) and G. G. Coulton (1858–1947). Each man got most of the facts right, and each made progress in basic research, so proper credit should not be denied them. The problem is that they did not weigh facts well, because they harbored fierce animosity toward the Church—animosity that had little to do with the Inquisition itself.

But the facts fail to do that. The Church has nothing to fear from the truth. No account of foolishness, misguided zeal, or cruelty by Catholics can undo the divine foundation of the Church, though, admittedly, these things are stumbling blocks to Catholics and non-Catholics alike.

What must be g.asped is that the Church contains within itself all sorts of sinners and knaves, and some of them obtain positions of responsibility. Paul and Christ himself warned us that there would be a few ravenous wolves among Church leaders (Acts 20:29; Matt. 7:15).

Fundamentalists suffer from the mistaken notion that the Church includes only the elect. For them, sinners are outside the doors. Locate sinners, and you locate another place where the Church is not.


But trying to straighten out such historical confusions can take one only so far. As Ronald Knox put it, we should be cautious, "lest we should wander interminably in a wilderness of comparative atrocity statistics." In fact, no one knows exactly how many people perished through the various Inquisitions. We can determine for certain, though, one thing about numbers given by Fundamentalists: They are far too large. One book popular with Fundamentalists claims that 95 million people died under the Inquisition.

The figure is so grotesquely off that one immediately doubts the writer’s sanity, or at least his g.asp of demographics. Not until modern times did the population of those countries where the Inquisitions existed approach 95 million.

Inquisitions did not exist in Northern Europe, Eastern Europe, Scandinavia, or England, being confined mainly to southern France, Italy, Spain, and a few parts of the Holy Roman Empire. The Inquisition could not have killed that many people because those parts of Europe did not have that many people to kill!

Furthermore, the plague, which killed a third of Europe’s population, is credited by historians with major changes in the social structure. The Inquisition is credited with few—precisely because the number of its victims was comparatively small. In fact, recent studies indicate that at most there were only a few thousand capital sentences carried out for heresy in Spain, and these were over the course of several centuries.

Islam on the other hand has always been lead by the sword. Early followers of Mohamed forced Christians out of the holy land that had been Christian since the time of Christ. The Crusades were western attempts to take the Holy lands back from the muslins and let Christian & Jews live freely.

Christianity is composed of members of our human race. As a race we are all flawed and are all sinners. When any human commits a murderous act in the name of God, such acts are neither truly inspired by God, but a grave sin against Christ our Lord.

All Christians are sinners! Even Pope Francis ask us to pray for him since he too is a sinner.

If there were no sinners one might be able to find a perfect church. That however is not reality. Our weak and frail kind corrupt all things that start with good intentions.
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Islam on the other hand has always been lead by the sword.
Thanks for the thoughtful post. The problem with multicultural PC types is they draw moral equivalence where there is none.In this case the exception of Christianity as compared to the general rule of Islam as if that is moral equivalent.

The have to compare some Christians of centuries ago to Islamic terrorists today.
 
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Islam being practiced at airport in Brussels, http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03...l?intcmp=hpbt1
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIbMSRzTVs0 Can you imagine FDR deferring to an Imperial Japanese advocate in writing a report on how to effectively wage WWII? How about imagining in the 1960's the FBI deferring to a Mafia advocate in writing training manuals on how to effectively deal with organized crime?

This video shows how dangerous it is to have a naive Liberal as POTUS. As you watch the video, the advocate claims the real enemy is not Islamic Jihad but Al Qeada and ISIS - AS IF a war on semantics will win the day rather than the underlying ideology of Islamic Jihad.

She repeats the PC mantra that referring to Islam and Jihad is not only offensive but makes us less save. The rational on how calling our enemy by their proper name is that it increases terrorists recruiting effectiveness and 'many studies' confirm this. I wonder how many of these studies are financed by Muslim advocates?

This is another demonstration of the myth of the moderate Muslim. So afraid must we be to offend and incite to violence peaceful, moderate Muslims that by merely calling terrorist motivating ideology Islamic Jihad, they will ipso facto became Islamic Jihadi terrorists!
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It seems like too many people don't know the difference between a religion and a theocracy. The Muslim political system is not just a religion, it is a theocracy. Imagine if all the state and national laws were decided by a church and that would be a theocracy. It is not just a worship of God (religion) but an unconstitutional control of people, a political system.
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It seems like too many people don't know the difference between a religion and a theocracy.
Or they think because it is a religion it must not also be a political ideology.

Nobody cares about the religious part. Nobody cares what direction or how many times each day Muslims pray. But it is sad how in the matrix people are in blinding themselves with multiculturalism.

The myth of the moderate Muslim is revealed. If they were moderates, calling terrorist motivations would not even be claimed to cause radicalization. NOTE: This sort of mental gymnastics is not applied in other motivating ideologies. No one is scolded for saying someone acted out of racism or sexism OUT OF FEAR it will cause an increase in racism and sexism.
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The worst kinds of wars are not political, economic, or nationalistic... but religious.

Religious wars have no boundaries, why do you need any if God/Allah is on your side.

With the possible exception to the Mongols, the atrocities committed by Catholic vs Protestant, Shia vs. Sunni, Christians vs. Muslims are far worst.
(Note, in worst I do not mean the body count, but how the victors treated the losers in each conflict. But once a religious state gets a hold of Nukes, all bets are off)

I wonder why God has not call it game over, and unleashed a Zombie plague to wipe us out.
The worst atrocities ever were committed by godless socialists/communists. Hundreds of millions were slaughtered by Stalin, Mao, Pol pot and the North Vietnamese.
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Destroying the myth of moderate Muslims, Fourth Muslim group rejects federal grant to fight extremism
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This post is to all of you who have posted to this site: if you have not read the Quran and comprehended what it says, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Period.
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This post is to all of you who have posted to this site: if you have not read the Quran and comprehended what it says, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Period.
Care to summarize your knowledge of the Quran?
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This post is to all of you who have posted to this site: if you have not read the Quran and comprehended what it says, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Period.
I have, but my heart was sealed so I could not comprehend the glory.

. . . . but then again, when it states that you should stop beating your wife when she behaves . . . .
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https://pjmedia.com/homeland-securit...rcumstances/2/

Good News: Female Muslim Prof. Says Muslims Can Rape, Rob Infidel Women Only in Some Circumstances

BY RAYMOND IBRAHIM FEBRUARY 8, 2016 CHAT 181 COMMENTS
The “exploitation” of Islam’s already unjust and uncivilized laws is common and inevitable.

Muslims are not supposed to coerce non-Muslims to convert (Koran 2:256). Yet from the dawn of Islamic history until to the present, forced conversions have been a normal aspect of Islam. Why?

Because based on the hate that Islam engenders for non-Muslims, “compelling” infidels (especially female ones) to embrace Islam can -- and often is -- rationalized as an altruistic act. After all, how bad can it be to force hell-bound infidels into the true religion? Moreover, it helps the growth of Islam, and so it can also be seen to fall into the jihad category.

As one human rights report explained while discussing the rampant sexual abuse and forced conversion of Christian girls in Pakistan:

The dark side of the forced conversion to Islam is not restricted only to the religious Muslim groups but also involves the criminal elements who are engaged in rape and abduction and then justify their heinous crimes by forcing the victims to convert to Islam. The Muslim fundamentalists are happy to offer these criminals shelter and use the excuse that they are providing a great service to their sacred cause of increasing the population of Muslims.
Likewise, Islamic law (based on Koran 9:29) calls for the leaders of state to extort money (jizya) from Christian and Jews who live under their authority. Most Muslim countries, thanks to European pressure in the colonial era, abolished this practice and its strictures. However, Muslims around the world know the basics, namely that the non-Muslim is meant to provide the Muslim with wealth and resources. In the words of one caliph to his general in Christian Egypt:

Milk the camel [the Copts] until it gives no more milk, and until it milks blood.
Nearly 1600 years later, a Muslim cleric in the UK receiving welfare referred to British taxpayers as “slaves.” He explained:

We take the jizya, which is our haq [“right”], anyway. The normal situation by the way is to take money from the kafir [“infidel”], isn’t it? So this is the normal situation. They give us the money -- you work, give us the money, Allahu Akbar. We take the money.
Unsurprisingly, all over the Muslim world non-Muslims are being kidnapped and held for ransom, or just robbed and plundered.

The problem isn’t that Muslims aren’t strictly following Islam’s rules concerning the sexual enslavement of infidel women, but rather that Islam allows non-Muslim women to be enslaved in the first place.

The problem isn’t that Muslims aren’t strictly following Islam’s rules concerning conversion, but rather that Islam calls for nonstop enmity and war against non-Muslims in the first place.

The problem isn’t that Muslims aren’t strictly following Islam’s rules concerning who has the ultimate right to collect jizya from infidels, but rather that Islam allows non-Muslims to be plundered in the first place.

It is no solace for non-Muslims to learn that Islam bans their being enslaved, raped, converted, and plundered in certain circumstances while allowing them to be enslaved, raped, coerced, and plundered in others.
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This post is to all of you who have posted to this site: if you have not read the Quran and comprehended what it says, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Period.
I read "The Great Arab Conquests" which describes how Muhammad created Islam and how he told if followers to spread Islam throughout the world by the sword of conquest. How he led his followers in wars against the unbelievers and how his followers obeyed his commands and conquered a good portion of the entire world. I learned that he created Islam as a religion dedicated to world conquest and the establishment of a Sharia based tyranny to rule.
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There was a meme in the joke section Thais true. It had a pic of an Arab that said Muhammad was a statutory rapist, slave trader and war Lord ...

.... And serves as a moral compass for over 1 billion people.
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I a surprised no one started a thread about this. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/06/21...n-custody.html. I was in Michigan yesterday and heard the story unfolding on the radio.

The original witness said the terrorist yelled 'allah ackbar' before repeatedly stabbing the security officer. FBI later said they suspected it was an act of terrorism. Yea, I suspect it too.

A 2nd report was that he said 'allah ackbar' and other foreign words. A 3rd report back off from admitting he said 'allah ackbar.' The official actions and deeds are not aligned for the shut down the entire airport.
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There is/was a thread about this yesterday.
BUT, move along, nothing to see here in MI.
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I see the Lone Wolf motif has changed to Known Wolf AS IF that makes people safe, http://hosted2.ap.org/APDefault/*/Ar...379777b90f3142
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For the historical record. The Crusades were the attempts to re-take the Holy Lands. Christians and Jews were settled in the Holy Land for more than 600 yrs before Islam came into existence. Islamic wars conquered the Holy Lands by force. Islam OCCUPIED the Holy Lands, brutally murdered many innocents, forced other to convert at the point of a sword.

The Crusades were a justified attempt to retake Christian and Jewish territory.

The Crusades, along with all conflicts of that era were brutal and bloody. More often the duration of wars during those times was more often measured in years, decades or sometimes hundreds of years. Weapons and combat were primitive compared with today weapons. Transportation was by horseback, foot, wagon, or ship where water routes existed.

One must have a historical context correct in order to discuss this period in history.
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After reading Robert Spencer's book "Politically Incorrect Guide To Islam" over three years ago, I'm still researching Islam to find out FOR MYSELF what Islam is. I was tired of hearing two different sides from people without any credible knowledge of the subject.
I'm nearly finished a book entitled "Islamic Scriptures Revealed", its' available on Internet.
Most informative work I've come across. Highly recommended, no BS.
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