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View Poll Results: What is your opinion of AGW?
AGW has to be our central organizing principle if we are to survive. 3 6.52%
AGW is real but it is better to deal with the effects than the cause. 0 0%
AGW is real but a small driver in planetary climates. 6 13.04%
AGW is not real & may not even be bad & there is nothing we can do 10 21.74%
AGW is the greatest hoax in the history of the world and the greatest threat to Liberty. 27 58.70%
Voters: 46. You may not vote on this poll

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What happens in Oregon, stays in Oregon - fingers crossed.

No, amazingly I'd never heard of it and its a shame you have.
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So tiberius, where in good science does one come to a conclusion on a hypothesis before the research has been completed?
Research into anything is never complete - even perfect information games
Have they finished studying chess?

We could try and measure the climate absolutely everywhere in great detail
to predict the weather. But if there were too many measurements to take we
wouldn't have measured them before if was already the next day...
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What do we want, scientific conscensus.
When do we want it, after peer review.

I'm afraid this petition is non-science.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-..._b_243092.html
 
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I'm afraid this petition is non-science.
It is not science but 30K scientists signing a statement that AGW is BS. Referencing some Left wing mag does not change the validity of the Oregon Petition. You talked about understanding the underlying science. Understand the underlying validity of the Oregon Petition.

Moreover, understand the absence of ANY such alarmist petition. Where is the list of scientists who say AGW is real, it is bad and it is man's fault????? There is no 97% scientific consensus.

31,487 American scientists have signed this petition,
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It is not science but 30K scientists signing a statement that AGW is BS. Referencing some Left wing mag does not change the validity of the Oregon Petition. You talked about understanding the underlying science. Understand the underlying validity of the Oregon Petition.

Moreover, understand the absence of ANY such alarmist petition. Where is the list of scientists who say AGW is real, it is bad and it is man's fault????? There is no 97% scientific consensus.

31,487 American scientists have signed this petition,
including 9,029 with PhDs


So we are agreed, it is not science.

I also saw this this
https://www.skepticalscience.com/OIS...on-Project.htm

There is a well trodden route for science, papers, peer review, publishing...
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I actually read some of the IPCC reports. Mainly the stuff about modelling
and the prediction stuff.
And you were incapable of seeing the obvious errors and bias in them?

Well, that doesn't say much for your ability to read and reason. Guess you came by your ignorance honestly, after all.

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Gotcha, all scientists in the world and metorolists and even people who drill
ice cores and organisations who have satellites with measurements device
on them. They are all - 'in on it'.

You can't really fake this ****. You can take a measurement of AIR anywhere
in the world and measure 'how much CO2 is in the air'?
It should be 270ppm - pre industrial revolution.
It was 325ppm when I was born.
It is 404ppm now.
It will be 475ppm - 500ppm when I die - and then you, I and everyone you
know is scr****. That's because that triggers the methane releases in the
permafrost etc.
Gotcha...they absolutely can fake that ****, some of them have even ADMITTED that they faked it.
But guys like you double down on the stupidity by plugging your ears, closing your eyes, and stomping while going lalalalalala...

It's truly pitiful how utterly childish it is.
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So we are agreed, it is not science.

I also saw this this
https://www.skepticalscience.com/OIS...on-Project.htm

There is a well trodden route for science, papers, peer review, publishing...
From your link:

"In the professional field of climate science, the consensus is unequivocal: human activities are causing climate change and additional anthropogenic CO2 may cause great disruption to the climate."

Notice the word "MAY". The use of the word "may" proves that anthropogenic global warming is merely a hypothesis, and not a proven fact. It is simply a "guess" at what might happen.
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From your link:

"In the professional field of climate science, the consensus is unequivocal: human activities are causing climate change and additional anthropogenic CO2 may cause great disruption to the climate."

Notice the word "MAY". The use of the word "may" proves that anthropogenic global warming is merely a hypothesis, and not a proven fact. It is simply a "guess" at what might happen.
If allowed to increase...

If you genuinely believed nothing will happen - you wouldn't be bothered.
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And you were incapable of seeing the obvious errors and bias in them?

Well, that doesn't say much for your ability to read and reason. Guess you came by your ignorance honestly, after all.



Gotcha...they absolutely can fake that ****, some of them have even ADMITTED that they faked it.
But guys like you double down on the stupidity by plugging your ears, closing your eyes, and stomping while going lalalalalala...

It's truly pitiful how utterly childish it is.
You can't fake it.
You can take an air sample anywhere on the world today.

Hmmm, better buy you own equipment - those scientists are all 'in on it'.
https://www.tester.co.uk/extech-co22...uality-monitor

Don't be a stinge bag - buy it.
If it shows a low level and them scientists have been lying to us - I'll buy it for you.
Come on - don't be a coward.

I like it when someone calls me childish and then does a rolleyes emoticon.
Hahahahaha
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If allowed to increase...

If you genuinely believed nothing will happen - you wouldn't be bothered.
From a scientific perspective, true.

The problem is you are pretending science justifies politics. Appeal to Nonsequitor.
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The idea that this is about science is absurd. When was the last time you saw people marching in the street over gravity?
Not that we've taken to the streets over it, but protesting gravity has occurred frequently to the majority of honest women over 50...


As far as the last option in the poll, I took it as hyperbole equivalent to the level of drama surrounding the entire question.


As far as AGW goes, when I was a kid there was a coming ice age. It was going to be terrible. We were all going to have to live underground for hundreds of years just so we didn't freeze to death... although it was a little vague how that mole-like existence was going to work out in practice. But we might as well not bother to learn how to swim, it was going to be so cold we could never engage in such activities anyway (5th grade science teacher actually told the class that.) And on the drama went.

Then the funding for the scientists dried up because they had nothing new to add to this theory like those silly little things called facts.


Within a very few years, the ice age was no longer on the horizon. But big research centers full of expensive scientists MUST get their government grants or it will come out that half of them should have become plumbers and electricians and actually be working for a living because they aren't very good scientists. Voila! Had anyone noticed how much warmer every summer was, must be a massive global warming going on.

Stop the government funding and the groups will have to actually contribute something instead of making up crap to justify their funding...


It really all boils down to: Weather happens. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it's sucky, but it is always weather. And weather runs in cycles so micro-analyzing the weather over a 20 year period is an asinine way to analyze something that runs in big, long cycles.
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From a scientific perspective, true.

The problem is you are pretending science justifies politics. Appeal to Nonsequitor.
I'm not pretending anything.
I didn't propose a political solution, as I said - I don't expect one.

If you'd like to discuss possible political solutions, that would probably need
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Not that we've taken to the streets over it, but protesting gravity has occurred frequently to the majority of honest women over 50...
Ha! Probably men too.

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As far as the last option in the poll, I took it as hyperbole equivalent to the level of drama surrounding the entire question.
Well, if not this, it begs the question of what is the greatest hoax in the history of the world that effects so many people so profoundly? If not this, with fiat currency, the idea that money is a store of value is the only thing that comes to mind.

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Stop the government funding and the groups will have to actually contribute something instead of making up crap to justify their funding...
I wish.
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As far as AGW goes, when I was a kid there was a coming ice age. It was going to be terrible. .
Ever go back and watch some of the older apocalyptic movies through the ages? You can see what the current 'trend' was at the time.
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So Bill Nye says that if because of man made global warming, we won't be having an ice age and now we can grow more things in more northern climates than we could in the past.
I say "Go us."

Usually like Tucker Carlson. But he kind of annoyed me on this one. He could have had a discussion and rebutted his points but just kept on over talking him.
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So Bill Nye says that if because of man made global warming, we won't be having an ice age and now we can grow more things in more northern climates than we could in the past.
I say "Go us."
Quite right. There is a nobility and goodness in human beings. The new age original sin is that man's not only has an affect on the environment but that is bad!

Warming is much better for humans, animals and plants compared to cooling - much, much better. In addition, it is undeniable that more CO2 in the atmosphere is much, much better for plant life. So, pass the word along with 'Go us' - and make the Leftists head's explode.
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What a surprise that the NOAA under Obama faked data. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ming-data.html

I do not know if this changes anyone's mind but would like to know where we stand as an online community.
The NOAA knows where its bread is buttered, so they do the thing that pays them. Just like most other organizations do.
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The NOAA knows where its bread is buttered, so they do the thing that pays them. Just like most other organizations do.
What? No! Say it isn't so? A government organization would compromise its integrity to receive more funding or money!? I cannot believe it!












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So what it really boils down to is the the liberals and progressives are PRO-ICE AGE. Well **** YOU and the horse you rode in on, I want Ohio to be the next South Carolina!
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Yeah. New York could be the Venice of the west. Apparently its inevitable so they might want to get started preparing for that, waterproofing and such.

That's a joke by the way.
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