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For a washing machine I send it straight out into the open. A septic tanks is not needed. For your kitchen sink send its affluent to a nearby fruit tree. Besides the kitchen sink, only toilet paper and human waste go into mine. I am one person and usually for urine disposal I simply go outside to fertilize what ever. The tank has been going 20 years.
heavy rain will on occasion somewhat flush the tank. We get about 60 inches of rain here per year. Tank use started about 1994. It has 600 sq of Drain IIRC. I can hook to the sewer anytime since I paid the fee and I am charged monthly for sewage use on the basis of my water consumption. The county thinks I am connected to it. I will need a lift station and about 600 ft of piping to connect to the street sewage line. I look upon the biosolids in the 1000 gallon tank as a back up for fertilizer if I ever have raise food in a large garden due to some sort of famine conditions.
Discharging waste water is against the code in this area. A complaint will bring fines and citations for repair.

Rainwater should not be entering the septic tank. We have a requirement here that all new construction has roof rainwater run-off going into separate dry wells.

I don't think using untreated human waste as fertilizer for plants intended for human consumption is a good idea.
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One of the north western states (Washington I think) has a free online class to get certified for septic system inspection of your own system.

This class teaches lots of good information about your system and also shows how to do inspections, the papers work involved and how to make the tools needed for the inspection!

Add that information to a good effluent filter and you can use a formula to know if your system needs pumping and track it health through time.

A distribution box that allows you to balance the load on your drain field and even allows you to turn off sections to rest and rejuvenate is a good addition.

My ideal system would have ground level inspection ports and ground level risers to simplify access and maintenance.

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www.nachi.org/septic-course.htm
Quick search pulled up this online course, looks like 21 hours or so to complete, according to their time line.
 
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Discharging waste water is against the code in this area. A complaint will bring fines and citations for repair.

Rainwater should not be entering the septic tank. We have a requirement here that all new construction has roof rainwater run-off going into separate dry wells.

I don't think using untreated human waste as fertilizer for plants intended for human consumption is a good idea.
"Rainwater should not be entering the septic tank" Very difficult to prevent that from happening
Most septic tanks in my area when there is a heavy rain will spill over. Fecal colliforms counts and nutrients typically shoot way up in our local creeks. Of course often our sewage lift stations also spill out effluents.

You may not think it is a good idea, but in a SHTF scenario when there is no commercial fertilizer available and there no food, I say for my consumption it is a good idea. If it came out me in the first place it is not so likely to harm me. Me being hungry is a worse idea from my point of view. Now the hazard is that it may send pathogens down steam which is not my worry.

In other countries it is used and has kept millions of people alive. With your sort of thinking you only make things harder for yourself. I will be trying soon to buy treated compost soon from our local utility . The biggie is accumulation of metals from biosolids.
Edit to add: I have 8 acres on a sloping hill. No way can I control that water or the water coming from my neighbors above me. For what you speak of a storm sewer system must be in operation. We use road ditches and in some cases retention ponds. Best solution is to put everyone on a sanitary sewer.
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I believe this is the one I mentioned!

http://www.doh.wa.gov/CommunityandEn...wageSystemsOSS

Here are the videos that go with it!

http://www.doh.wa.gov/CommunityandEn...nspectionVideo

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"Rainwater should not be entering the septic tank" Very difficult to prevent that from happening
Most septic tanks in my area when there is a heavy rain will spill over. Fecal colliforms counts and nutrients typically shoot way up in our local creeks. Of course often our sewage lift stations also spill out effluents.
I can't figure out how storm water would get into my septic tank- My drains are all solvent welded PVC- the house would have to flood first.

High fecal coliforms is normal, and does not speak to sewage overflow, The rainwater dissolves bird poop, pet poop, and wild animal poop and washes it into the creeks vs filtering the creek water through soil.

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I can't figure out how storm water would get into my septic tank- My drains are all solvent welded PVC- the house would have to flood first.

High fecal coliforms is normal, and does not speak to sewage overflow, The rainwater dissolves bird poop, pet poop, and wild animal poop and washes it into the creeks vs filtering the creek water through soil.

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Plumbing 101: Look water by force of gravity typically flows from the sinks, bath, toilets, to the the septic tank. As the septic level reach a certain point the sewage flows by gravity into the septic tank field that typically has perforated pipe buried in gravel fields to where it flows. After the ground saturates say from a 3 inch rain there is standing water on or water moving that is flowing over the soil surface; it exerts a downward pressure and will flow into the gravel field and then by pressure into the perforated pipe and then into the tank. The water must flow faster into the field that it can escape to the adjacent soils. If exerts enough pressure it will back into the tank. The tank tops are normally not bolted down and sealed with a gasket and the sewage can flow in a reverse manner out of the tank's top area. I was told by the man doing my perc (A percolation test) test that being on a hill that my system would be especially prone to that. One only has to read the monthly county testing of our waters for fecal bacteria and after all heavy rain episodes the creeks and adjacent beaches have higher bacterial counts after rain events.


Link to a diagram of a typical septic system. Unfortunately little is taught in schools how things work and most people have no idea.
https://www.google.com/search?q=drai...S2hNOcTxWp3YM:
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fecal coliforms is normal, and does not speak to sewage overflow, The rainwater dissolves bird poop, pet poop, and wild animal poop and washes it into the creeks vs filtering the creek water through soil.
Sometime this is the case and it is due to a horse yard, bird sanctuary, or similar. There is a field of science called fecal coliform tracking. It can be as simple as checking for a florescent dye like material that is present in toilet paper. It can also be done by DNA tracking and I guess by other molecular techniques.
here is link to educate yourself: https://water.usgs.gov/owq/microbial.html
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Microbial Source-Tracking and Detection Techniques

(Related terminology - "bacterial source tracking (BST)" and "molecular microbial technologies")

Links are provided below to general information on microbial source-tracking and detection techniques, such as ribotyping (DNA fingerprinting), genetic enterovirus detection using PCR/rtPCR and IC/PCR, and pulse field gel electrophoreses (PFGE).
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