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Old 03-22-2017, 06:42 PM
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When SYRIA takes the next shot at ISAREL, they will take out all of that air defense hardware over the Golan Hights border which is about where DAMASCUS sits. And, the easiest way would be to use a Neutron NUKE.

This could turn any time soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR_9C55LpqU
That would make for some great entertainment.

It's been pretty boring here on planet Earth lately.
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I would get your popcorn and drink.

The next shot one of these hot heads takes may do it.
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It is building, there is a undercurrent that started with our past policy of hand wringing and lack of power portrayed, now that a president is in power who is not a globalist wimp these hot heads may get a comeuppance. However war will make all of us lose in the end.
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The Middle East is a mess that ain't never gonna get cleaned up.
Man you said it. In other news, water! Wet...
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If North Korea does not do it, they are a WHIMP!

And they know they are.

They would be wiped clean from the surface of this Earth!

In less than a day's time.
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Let's see... we'll be generous and say that North Korea's bombs are 20KT, which is twice their largest test and is just enough to take an airfield out of commission with a perfect precision strike. And they have about a dozen of them. Given 2 military airfields and a ground forces base, Okinawa alone would eat off 1/4 of their nuclear arsenal even under absolutely perfect conditions. You're going to need another 3 to hit Pearl Harbor. Another 3 to take out the airfields. So that leaves 3 more to take out LAX or maybe a west coast port.

Quite frankly it wouldn't even phase us as a nation or military power, and this all assumes absolute perfect conditions with no missile defense and no bombs used on much more practical and immediately threatening targets in Korea.

Even the worst case scenario really isn't that bad. According to nuke map, even if they just carpet bombed Los Angeles they'd at best score a million casualties and kill half of those. And again... that's with a generous estimate of their bomb yields, reliability, and accuracy. And with no efforts by anyone to stop the launches or the missiles. Quite frankly, even a million injured won't make any difference to us as a nation. We'd keep chugging along being us, with only 0.3% of our population directly harmed by it, and North Korea would be utterly crushed.
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Let's see... we'll be generous and say that North Korea's bombs are 20KT, which is twice their largest test and is just enough to take an airfield out of commission with a perfect precision strike. And they have about a dozen of them. Given 2 military airfields and a ground forces base, Okinawa alone would eat off 1/4 of their nuclear arsenal even under absolutely perfect conditions. You're going to need another 3 to hit Pearl Harbor. Another 3 to take out the airfields. So that leaves 3 more to take out LAX or maybe a west coast port.

Quite frankly it wouldn't even phase us as a nation or military power, and this all assumes absolute perfect conditions with no missile defense and no bombs used on much more practical and immediately threatening targets in Korea.

Even the worst case scenario really isn't that bad. According to nuke map, even if they just carpet bombed Los Angeles they'd at best score a million casualties and kill half of those. And again... that's with a generous estimate of their bomb yields, reliability, and accuracy. And with no efforts by anyone to stop the launches or the missiles. Quite frankly, even a million injured won't make any difference to us as a nation. We'd keep chugging along being us, with only 0.3% of our population directly harmed by it, and North Korea would be utterly crushed.
They are believed to have the 2 stage H2 fusion bombs now. Much more powerful. Their last underground test cracked roadways 100 miles away.

And the US doesn't just accept 0.3% population loss and still function normally.

After 9-11 the US was significantly affected.
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I agree their strength of nuclear weapons is not a tremendous danger unless you are near it when it goes bang. If they could get one or 2 on target losses would not ruin us as a military or country. That being said any loss of life would be too much. I think there would be significantly more loss of life from the millions of artillery shells that would be landing in South Korea, especially once the chemical and biological ones go off.
I think the NK's could inflict much higher casualties on the US if they load several cargo ships with biological shells and chemical weapons and as many artillery pieces they could fit and then sail off the coast of Hawaii, California, New York, and major cities in Japan and then launch as many shells as possible before they are sunk. Granted the timing would have to be perfect but that type of attack would cause far more loss of life than the few nukes that could be intercepted by our anti missile systems.

Just my $.02
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That's a quality quote there!


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We would not take casualties without reprisal. The cargo ship launch may be NK's best bet at inflicting maximum damage.
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We would not take casualties without reprisal. The cargo ship launch may be NK's best bet at inflicting maximum damage.
We are living in total surveillance world: "they" know everything they want to know. There was that NC ship some time ago sailing with the load of weapons. U.S. an Israel have known everything about it (the cargo and the destination) and STILL have followed it every step of the way, capturing it, eventually.
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We are living in total surveillance world: "they" know everything they want to know. There was that NC ship some time ago sailing with the load of weapons. U.S. an Israel have known everything about it (the cargo and the destination) and STILL have followed it every step of the way, capturing it, eventually.
Well 911 was a pretty elaborate plan they were able to get through.. Unless you're of the mind set it was Bush that did it
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Well 911 was a pretty elaborate plan they were able to get through.. Unless you're of the mind set it was Bush that did it
More like Deep State.
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Anyone who thinks the world as we know it today survives a nuclear attack by NK or Iran on one of our allies doesn't get it. First, if they nuke one of our allies or even our bases overseas, we're not going to respond in kind. The fear of the politicians, and the whole MAD philosophy, is that attack begets attack and if we retaliate our leaders will fear further attacks.

What is most likely to happen, in my opinion, is one of two things: NK will nuke Japan for show of power and then attack South Korea; we'll stand by and negotiate the peace with the new unified Korean communist government. Option two is for NK to attack the south and not nuke but we stand by for fear of a nuke.

One thing is certain, in my opinion, and that is that we will not be firing any nukes at anyone. Almost as certain is that we don't get into a real boots-on-the-ground war with NK.

On the other side of things is the Iran/Israel question. If Iran nukes Israel, I don't believe that even Israel is going respond with nukes. Even if Iran fires several at once, Israel doesn't respond. If Iran fires a nuke, waits a few days, and fires another, then there will be a response. The view will be that responding in kind to a single attack doesn't undo the attack. Only when viewed as an ongoing thing to be stopped will even Israel have the will to nuke Iran.

Now, these are not the things I want to happen; what I want is for NK and Iran to sit on their nukes and do nothing and for us to find ways to destroy them from within - we had solid opportunities to destroy both nuclear programs before they had the weapons and our coward leaders did nothing.

Should either NK or Iran use their nukes on any living person, then what I want is for us to blow them off the map and tell the rest of the world to stay out of it or we'll send more nukes their way as well. I just don't believe our leaders or even the people of the US have the will for such a response.
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