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Spanish Flu : Born Again Bioweapon? (web bots)
Hey guys ... had this sent to me this morning. Don't know who wrote it, so I don't know who to give the credit to. If you have more information, please give the links, etc, but I thought it was something I should pass on for those who would be interested.
Gentlemen, thoughts? Spanish Flu : Born Again Bioweapon? The hardest daily decisions in most newsrooms is deciding which story to 'lead' with. In television, that would usually be the story with their the catchiest images to would hold people over through breaks while in print it's a combination of exclusivity, insight, quality of writing, and the bent of the publication (news, glitz, business, sports, etc.). Since the focus here in on long wave economics - and how they come creeping through to form a control layer over much of human behavior - you'd think the decision to lead with something like the Sunday Financial Times article by ace economist/realist Nouriel Roubini where he explains the "Mother of all carry trades faces an inevitable bust" would be a simple call to make; that's definitely 'above the fold, page one material. But, around here, decision-making is never so cut and dried. Life has become incredibly complicated since mid 2001 when I started writing about a 'predictive linguistics project run by Cliff High at www.halfpasthuman.com - although at the time, there was not HPH and Cliff was much more reclusive. Here lately, the linguistics have - since last spring - been pointing to an October 25/26 turn date which would lead to a period of extremely high building tensions from that 'turn date' until two or three weeks later, by which time we should all be able to look back over our shoulders and say "Damn! That's what a turn date's all about..." The hints are sketchy - but that's the nature of the technology. The event is supposed to be something on the order of 85% economic and 15% other and it arises from the GlobalPop portion of the modelspace, which means whatever it is, it should be more or less planet-wide and not just some series of events that puts the fear of God into some fraudsters and greedsters down on Wall Street (or in Washington, where they also seem drawn in sizeable numbers). today, my bet - subject to change at whim - is that the 'swine' flu story will be "IT" in retrospect. Not only did president Obama issue the national state of emergency right on schedule, but there has been steadily building concern around the topic such the by the end of the week, the shutting down of most of Europe comes into view as a 'nonzero' possibility and with that would come the fulfillment of economic impacts. Moreover, the whole 'swine flu' story is developing almost along two tracks in the public mind: One track follows the 'offishul' (sic) version which is that the 'swine' flu just arose ad hoc in a swine population in Mexico and spread to the USA and elsewhere. The second track notes that the evidence is thin on the swine part and that the dispersal and now coming of the killer version/bleeding lungs part of 'swine flu' to eastern Europe seems mighty awful suspiciously like a low-grade bio-war between East and West. But let's not get ahead of ourselves - this story will be incubating for another week or possibly longer. The BIG story this morning, economic in nature, is that "Swine Flu Grips Ukraine". It's in the Wall Street Journal, after all, so it must have something to do with economics, right? And indeed it does: Ukraine is something of a bread basket area to Russia populated by smart, hard-working people. Since independence in late summer 1991, Ukraine has been evolving into the 29th largest economy in the world on a mix of agriculture, aerospace, and manufacturing while being a critical chunk of real estate to the Russians since goods like natural gas from Russia to Europe through its borders. As of this weekend, 53 people have died of swine flu, some by what's described as bleeding lungs which hark back to the 1918 Spanish Flu and cytokine storming where the body's defensive mechanisms got crazy and attack the host body itself. Responding to the situation, the government is closing down schools, some businesses, banning large gatherings, and is trying to buy another 700,000 doses of Tamiflu from Roche. A stock to watch? The thing we probably should watch over the next few days is how the neighboring countries fare. Already Hungary's health minister says the "Ukraine flu epidemic to create emergency in Hungary" as it may also do in Romanian, Moldova, Slovakia, Poland, Belarus, Russia, and anyone pulling into port from he Black Sea or the Sea of Azov. Now we go into deep background mode on this with an email I received from a particularly well informed reader who expects this will be one for the history books that should be watched closely: "This story may be the most important of our lifetimes. I'm a retired Ph.D. biochemist FYI. I conjecture that much of the coming troubles the web bot project speaks of may well arise from this new flu variant. I note that the first cases appeared a few days ago, just the length of the incubation period from October 25th. OK, a Mossad microbiologist warned two months ago that a new deadly flu bug was going to be released into Ukraine in two months. He got the place right, the bug right, and the time right. The sequence of all 8 pieces of RNA in the virus that caused the "Spanish flu" pandemic of 1918-1919 is public knowledge. A long dead Inuit woman buried in the permafrost was dug up and the virus taken from her body a couple of years ago and the RNA pieces were sequenced. Quite simple to synthesize these 8 pieces with widely available commercial machines and reagents. Then transfect mammalian cells with the RNA genes to obtain the intact, fully functional, virus. Another quite well known technology. Then grow all you want in fertilized chicken eggs or a mammalian immortal cell line. More quite well known technologies. What scares the sh*t out of me is that the bleeding in the lungs is exactly what killed a lot of folks in the 1918-19 pandemic. See the great book "The Great Influenza: The story of the deadliest pandemic in history ." People would literally fall dead walking across the street. The bleeding out of the lungs was most likely the result of a "cytokine storm" that so increased the vascular permeability in the air sacks that blood filled the lungs. The reason why the mortality in the 1918-1919 pandemic was concentrated in the 18-25 yo cohort was that they had the most active immune systems. Now I've NO conjecture as to who may have let this loose or why. But I do know that the technology is widespread to replicate the 1918-1919 virus that killed 2-4 million Americans and about 50 million world wide. And folks only traveled by ship in 1918. And there is NO vaccine for this flu type. Hopefully we will know in a couple of weeks the sequences of the 8 RNA pieces in the Ukraine virus. I'll bet the farm that it is a replicant of the "Spanish Flu." If so, the odds are totally infinitesimal that this was NOT a deliberate bioweapon release. I note that long haul truckers will simply go home and park their rigs if this flu reaches the USA. And exactly what reason do we have to suppose that it will be confined to Ukraine? The average city has 3 days of food. Connect the dots... please............... A credit is due here. the word "replicant" is from the great sci-fi movie "Blade Runner." All of this is puts us on the scale of impact somewhere in the middle between inconvenient to bad on one end of the scale to horrific and Biblical at the far end. But the linguistics seem to be pointing to the most terrible of all yet to come with temporal hints around the time of the Whistler Olympics (late February to mid March) for another round of dispersal. The nonzero probabilities keep adding up and at some point, even the most skeptical human has to reach the point of non-coincidence and conclude what's for now only a possibility: Namely that the factions of the PowersThatBe are at war with one-another and we - humans down here at the worker bee level - are the unwilling cannon fodder for the coming year or longer.
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11-03-2009, 11:16 AM
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I think this is George Ure's writing.
http://www.urbansurvival.com/blog/?p=1742 What caused the deaths and how many there actually were, of the Spanish Flu, is debatable. When it started spreading, the first World War had just ended and a lot of people were still suffering from the after shock; malnutrition and even outright starvation, among other things. The medical infrastructure, especially in Europe, was in shambles. Thousands of troops were being shipped back to the US from Europe, contributing to the spread of the virus. Also, penicillin had still not been invented so there weren't that many known ways to fight pneumonia and other bacteria the Spanish Flu opened the door for. How common the cytokine storm type deaths were, is also debatable as there are no accurate statistics. There is almost no doubt that the Spanish flu was a nasty bug, but I would argue circumstance had something to do with the high death toll.
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11-03-2009, 12:57 PM
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Rumor has it overseas, that some countries are investigating the virus as a "created one". We talk with some freinds in Kiev and the whole place is in a panic. Mask for anyone who can find them. Curfews are coming for them. Here is the article and you can find even more in Poland, Romania ect. USA news is being silent about it.
Four More Dead in Ukraine as WHO Investigates Flu-Like Outbreak Share Business ExchangeTwitterFacebook| Email | Print | A A A By Daryna Krasnolutska and Halia Pavliva Nov. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Four more people in Ukraine died of respiratory disease as a team of nine experts from the World Health Organization arrived in the eastern European country to investigate the outbreak. The flu-like illness has sickened more than 255,500 and killed at least 71 people, up from 67 deaths as of yesterday, First Deputy Health Minister Vasyl Lazoryshynets said today at a press conference in Kiev. Laboratory tests in Kiev confirmed swine flu in samples taken from patients in two of the most affected regions, the WHO said in a statement on its Web site. “The capital city of Kiev is approaching the epidemic threshold,” Lazoryshynets said. In three of Kiev’s 10 districts, a majority of drugstores said they do not have protective masks and that they don’t know when to expect them. The city is home to more than 3 million people. The WHO Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza Samples in London received samples sent by the Ministry of Health in Ukraine, the United Nations health agency said. The laboratory will conduct confirmatory tests. “Given the potential significance of this outbreak as an early warning signal, WHO commends the government of Ukraine for its transparent reporting and open sharing of samples,” the WHO said. “As the pandemic virus has rapidly become the dominant influenza strain worldwide, it can be assumed that most cases of influenza in Ukraine are caused by the H1N1 virus” that causes swine flu. Schools Closed Ukraine’s government has closed schools, banned public events and introduced quarantine in nine western regions, Prime Minister Yulia Timoshenko said Oct. 30. President Viktor Yushchenko said in a statement today that Ukraine will get about 200,000 boxes of Roche Holding AG’s Tamiflu antiviral medication tomorrow. Ukraine’s Dynamo soccer team will play Italian Inter in Kiev today. Dynamo’s President Ihor Surkis said the team would provide all 17,000 fans with protective masks, according to its Web site. The mission from the Geneva-based WHO arrived in the country late yesterday and started working at 7 a.m. this morning, said Jukka Pukkila, who leads the team. The group of epidemiologists, physicians, laboratory technicians and communications advisers plans to spend two weeks in Ukraine, though they will stay as long as needed, Pukkila said. Need to Investigate “Our working assumption is that we are dealing with H1N1 but we need to investigate the situation,” Pukkila said at the press conference. The group is starting field investigations, initially in the Lviv region, where reported numbers of cases showing severe forms of acute respiratory illness have been high. Two virologists have started working at Ukraine’s National Influenza Centre and the laboratories of the Central Sanitary and Epidemiological Station in Kyiv to provide diagnostic support, the WHO said in the statement. Tetiana Bakhtyeyeva, the head of the parliamentary committee for health care, said at a separate press conference in Kiev today that the actual numbers of confirmed flu cases, as well as deaths from flu, may be “significantly higher” than what is reported by the government
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11-03-2009, 01:12 PM
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I never heard of "bleeding lungs" during the Spanish Flu and I've seen several documentaries on it. What happened, was the lungs filled with fluid, or mucus, in an attempt to flush out the infection. The cilia in the lungs were supposed to move the mucus out towards the throat where people coughed it out. Many people died from drowning in their body's defenses. What this means for you and I is you need to have lots of expectorant on hand. You might need it every day for 14 days, possibly more, per person.
Mucinex in the US works great. As does this recipe found elsewhere on this board: 2 teaspoons apple cider vinegar 2 teaspoons honey 8 oz water Mix together and drink. Original post didn't say how often so I would guess every 4 hours. I'm assuming this is a short-acting expectorant.
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11-03-2009, 01:40 PM
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Acetyl cysteine is good too. It breaks a bond in phlegm so that it's not so thick and makes it easier to breath. It's also a very potent anti-oxidant.
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11-03-2009, 04:46 PM
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They are trying to say this is the mutated H1N1, but check the red highlight in this article!
Ukraine’s Deadly Flu: Pretext for Mandatory Vaccination? Posted By admin On October 30, 2009 @ 4:23 pm In Flu Pandemic | 97 Comments Kurt Nimmo Infowars October 30, 2009 It comes as no surprise that Ukraine’s tinhorn dictator, Yulia Tymoshenko, has locked down parts of her country in response to the spread of the flu virus. Tymoshenko, after all, is an authoritarian mob boss. “Sometimes I really think that Ukraine needs dictatorship and rule of law. Only a dictator can maintain the rule of law in Ukraine,” she said not long ago. Bush said the same when he was the decider. Ukrainians attempt to protect themselves from new flu strain. The virus, however, appears to be surprising and unique. Some suggest the virus is a more virulent strain of the H1N1 virus. “WHO recently confirmed that the H1N1 virus showed no signs of mutating to become more virulent,” writes The Flu Case. Recall Baxter’s “accidental” contimination of flu virus material from a plant in Austria in February. The contaminated product, a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company. The Austrian firm, Avir Green Hills Biotechnology, then sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany, according to the Toronto Sun. “So far, 30 deaths in Ukraine have been attributed to some kind of influenza, and at least one of them tested positive for the A/H1N1 virus. More lab tests are expected later next week,” Russia Today reported earlier today. “Express-tests cannot provide a hundred percent verification of the virus, they give only 50% accuracy. That’s why blood probes of those who died were sent to special laboratories for further testing. And only this morning it was confirmed that at least 11 deaths were caused by the A/H1N1 virus.” announced Prime Minister Timoshenko. “The inhabitants of the western regions of Ukraine reached on an unknown disease, whose symptoms are diagnosed as pneumonia,” reports Wolne Media, a Polish news website. “However, health professionals say the unusual and very rapid course of illness, which has already led to a confirmed death of 40 patients.” “The H1N1 virus which causes Mexican flu has been ruled out,” Radio Netherlands Worldwide reported yesterday. Ukraine Health Minister Vasyl Kniazevych told the National Radio Company of Ukraine that the virus is not H1N1. “The minister noted that the main objective is to identify the virus causing the disease, which is expected to take several weeks.” “Our Mexico City source said a top scientist for the United Nations, who has examined the outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus in Africa, as well as HIV/AIDS victims, concluded that H1N1 possesses certain transmission ‘vectors’ that suggest that the new flu strain has been genetically-manufactured as a military biological warfare weapon,” investigative journalist Wayne Madsen reported in April after H1N1 surfaced in Mexico. A UN expert told Madsen he believes that Ebola, HIV/AIDS, and the current A-H1N1 swine flu virus are biological warfare agents. Is it possible the new influenza strain now emerging in Eastern Europe is also a biological warfare agent? It remains to be seen if the new virus will defy Tymoshenko’s quarantine and spread. If the virus does spread, it will likely be used as an excuse to impose mandatory vaccinations and quarantines in the West. As it now stands, the hype surrounding the H1N1 outbreak and the government campaign to stampede people into taking toxic soft kill vaccines produced by Big Pharma is a dismal failure. Addendum For what it is worth… Back in August, it was reported that the bio-scientist Joseph Moshe — who has arrested in dramatic fashion by the LAPD for allegedly threatening to blow up the White House — had revealed that a bioweapon masquerading as a vaccine was developed in Ukraine. Moshe, reported to be an Israeli citizen and a Mossad agent, was arrested because he intended to go public with this information. This information was not properly vetted… so again, for what it is worth.
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11-04-2009, 07:00 AM
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In either case, I don't think those statistics are reliable. People who are having the regular sniffles are probably going to hospitals thinking they have some sort of super flu because of the panic itself. Fear can do a lot of things. Regardless of what's really going on, this is having some serious consequences as the whole country is being shut down. The same could happen anywhere. Last edited by BackyardRambo; 11-04-2009 at 07:05 AM..
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11-04-2009, 07:50 AM
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Greywolf, this thread and your sleuthing has essentally tied it all together.
Madsen has been very outspoken on H1N1, claiming the virus has been genetically-engineered. He has referenced 3 laboratory units which research "spanish flu": Univ of Wisconsin (Madison), a facility in Canada, and St. Judes Vet Research Lab in Memphis TN. Madsen has been vocal about the genetically engineered components of H1N1. He and others realize that H1N1's full gene sequence is unrecognizable but has portions of several RNA viruses spliced together. This genetic analysis indicates that H1N1 is a man-made, genetically engineered virus. More links: http://www.infowars.com/h1n1-virus-m...f-human-error/ http://dprogram.net/2009/10/10/video...by-scientists/ http://www.sciencenews.org/view/gene..._diverse_parts
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11-04-2009, 09:53 AM
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Having said that, this is a good example of the upheaval that influenza can cause.
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11-04-2009, 10:30 AM
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11-04-2009, 11:32 AM
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http://www.infowars.com/has-baxter-i...ogical-weapon/ Has Baxter International released a biological weapon? Text size David Rothscum Reports November 1, 2009 Evidence appears to suggest that Baxter International is responsible for a new deadly outbreak of viral pneumonia in Ukraine. In February of 2009 Bloomberg reported that Baxter “accidentally” send vaccine material containing both live Avian bird flu and seasonal influenza to multiple laboratories worldwide. A laboratory decided to test the vaccine on it’s ferrets, but the ferrets all unexpectedly died. It must be noted that Baxter has made a “mistake” like this before. Blood products produced by Baxter once containd HIV. Thousands of haemophiliacs died due to this, and many went on to infect their spouses. Later in the year, a bizarre story emerged on the internet. The Huffington Post reported on a a man named Joseph Moshe who was arrested after a hours long standoff with the police because he had supposedly made threats against the White House. The man was able to withstand multiple rounds of tear gas. However, the internet community was very skeptical of the true reasons behidn this man’s arrest. Comments on the Huffington Post website immediately began pouring in about an unreported side to this story, namely that Joseph Moshe was a Mossad Agent specialized in biological warfare who called into a radio show to warn people about a biological weapn that was being made by Baxter international that would be spread through vaccine and would cause a plague upon it’s release. Although anyone can make a doomsday claim and we should never believe anyone (and it must be said that the Truth movement handled this well, the message was spread without being proclaimed as gospel) the amazing part about Moshe’s claim was the location where Moshe said the biological weapon was being produced. Moshe claimed that Baxter’s laboratory in the Ukraine out of all places was creating this biological weapon. All of this came out in the beginning of August, which is more than 2 months before the situation that is currently unfolding. For Moshe to correctly name the country where a new epidemic would be unleashed, requires either inside information, or an incredible coincidence as anyone with a basic knowledge of statistics can confirm for himself. Let us assume for a moment that every person on our planet has an equal chance of giving rise to a new lethal epidemic due to a virus that mutates as it spreads through his body. The Ukraine has 46 million inhabitants. The current estimated global population is about 6.7 billion. This means that if a new epidemic were to arise, the chance of this epidemic starting in the Ukraine would be 0.69%. However, it appears that this virus is a form of flu. This makes the odds of being right when guessing that a deadly flu is going to break out in the Ukraine even smaller. The reason for this is that back in early August the vast majority of influenza infections were found in different countries than the Ukraine. In fact, on 30 Oktober, Earthtimes reported that Ukraine had officially reported only two cases of swine flu, and no deaths, until last Friday. This deadly epidemic appears to have arrived out of nowhere in the Ukraine. Moshe’s biomed profile appears to confirm his position as a microbiologist. Furthermore, this page with Baxter’s contact information for it’s Ukraine office confirms that Baxter has a presence in the Ukraine. It must also be noted that massive numbers of microbiologists have been dying bizarre deaths. This case of what appears to be a brave man who sacrificed it all to bring us this message may explain why so many microbiologists have been murdered. The fact that this man managed to predict an outbreak of highly lethal influenza in a place where we would least expect it, 2 months before it a actually occured, lends credence to his claim that Baxter International is responsible for the outbreak and shows that top microbiologists can pose a problem to the people responsible for this ongoing disaster. This is a developing story, expect to see possible updates on David Rothscum Reports as more information on what is happening in Ukraine becomes available. Update 1: For the purpose of keeping information from disappearing, I am going to mirror most information I can find on here. Comments on the Huffington post website on an article about Moshe’s arrest documenting his claim that the Influenza virus in a vaccine manufactured by Baxter in Ukraine replicates RNA from the 1918 flu and is meant as a bioweapon: Update 2: The Ukrainian government wants to impose travel restrictions on people across the nation to stop the virus from spreading. Update 3: According to the Huffington post comments I cited above, Dr. Moshe claimed that the virus used replicated RNA of the 1918 Spanish flu. Symptoms of the 1919 Flu include victims being drenched in blood: American were familiar with the flu; it sent you to bed, made you miserable for 3 or 4 days with fever, muscle aches, and congestion, then left you shaky for about a week. It made millions sick, yet killed only the oldest, youngest, and most feeble. The 1918 influenza was not the flu Americans were familiar with. It was a horror that turned victims bluish-black then drowned them with their own body fluids. the death toll was highest in the ages 15 to 40, those in the peak of health. The victims would be fine one minute and the next incapacitated, fever-racked, and delirious. Temperatures rose to 104-106 degrees, skin turned blue, purple, or deep brown from lack of oxygen. Massive pneumonia attacked the lungs, filling them with fluid; blood gushed from the nose. Death was quick, savage, and terrifying. Compare this to reports that are coming out from Ukraine: Five persons have died from the flue in Lviv, four men and one woman, says emergency hospital chief doctor Myron Borysevych. Two of the dead patients were in the 22-35 age group, with 2 others over 60. He diagnosed the disease as viral pneumonia. Viral tests can last from one to two weeks. They are complicated and not done in Lviv. The course of the disease was very quick. The symptoms included very high temperature and short-wind cough. All the six dead young people had symptoms of severe hemmorhagic pneumonia. The disease starts slowly, with temperature rising to 37.2 – 37.3 degrees, slight cough and pain in joints. Nasal catarrh developed at the end of the second or third day. Autopsy revealed that the lungs were soaked with blood, the oblast chief specialist said.
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11-04-2009, 12:10 PM
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I just called my wife and told her to call her dad in Kiev. I am going to see if I can get the low down on this bug. SniperFX just hung a good thread but I can't not access the new website he listed from my Office computer.
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