Do Not Get The H1N1 Vaccine - Important!

[Graywolf]

Beerman - I don't know who you are, but I find it interesting that you have only been here since October 2009, and of the 24 posts you have made, all are in in the section of swine flu and all state how safe the vaccine is. I hope I am wrong, but I believe you are a plant.

Originally Posted by beerman

Strongly linked to Gulf War Syndrome? Just not true. It was not present in the vaccines given to the troops.

"A link between the health problems of Gulf-War veterans and possible presence of squalene in vaccines received by these soldiers has been suggested. One published report has suggested that some army veterans who received anthrax vaccines developed anti-squalene antibodies and that these antibodies caused disabilities. However, squalene was not added to the vaccines administered to these veterans, nor was it used in the manufacturing process. Various papers have been published outlining the technical deficiencies in that original report."

http://www.autoimmune.com/GWSGen.html
Gulf War Syndrome
ANTI-SQUALENE ANTIBODIES LINK
GULF WAR SYNDROME TO ANTHRAX VACCINE

Data published in the February 2000 and August 2002 issues of Experimental and Molecular Pathology strongly suggests that Gulf War Syndrome is caused by a vaccine contaminated with squalene.

The August 2002 article is entitled "Antibodies to Squalene in Recipients of Anthrax Vaccine" (Exp. Mol. Pathol. 73,19-27 (2002)).

Gulf War Syndrome, or GWS, is the term which has been applied to the multi-symptom rheumatic disorder experienced by many veterans of the 1990-1991 Persian Gulf war. A similar disorder appeared in 1990-1991-era personnel who were never deployed to the Persian Gulf theater of operations and also in other military personnel, including participants in the Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program, or AVIP, which was inaugurated in 1997. No data has ever suggested that the disorder experienced by the deployed 1990-1991 soldiers is different from the disorder experienced by the other groups of patients, but the other cases have not been considered to be cases of GWS.

Squalene was found by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in five lots of the AVIP anthrax vaccine. The discovery of serum anti-squalene antibodies and the development of a test to detect these antibodies has made it possible to see that links appear to exist between the contaminated AVIP vaccine lots, the illness experienced by post-1997 vaccine recipients, the illness experienced by non-deployed 1990-1991-era patients, and the illness in deployed 1990-1991-era patients that has been referred to as GWS.

The data establishing these links is presented in the peer-reviewed February 2000 and August 2002 articles. The published findings (1) strongly suggest that the GWS-like illness being reported by all of the various patient groups is the same illness, (2) strongly suggest that the contaminated vaccine caused the illness in the AVIP group, and (3) further suggest that squalene contamination of one or more 1990-1991-era vaccines accounts for the GWS cases from that era.

Before the anti-squalene antibody test was developed, there was no specific laboratory test for GWS. Both articles suggest that the antibodies can serve as an excellent laboratory marker to help identify patients with GWS. Using the antibodies as a laboratory marker for GWS could be very useful in helping physicians diagnose the disorder and in differentiating it from other rheumatic illnesses.

Anti-squalene antibodies might also provide a key to more effectively treating GWS patients. The presence of the antibodies in GWS patients indicates that the immune system is involved in the development of GWS. Effective drugs which modulate the human immune system are already in wide use, but they have not been previously considered to be appropriate for GWS patients. The published data now suggests that the use of immune modulators in GWS patients should be studied.


http://www.autoimmune.com/SqualeneInVaccine.html
News Release
SQUALENE FOUND IN ANTHRAX VACCINE

On September 27, 2000, Congressman Jack Metcalf of Washington presented an investigative report on Gulf War illnesses to the House Subcommittee on National Security, Veterans Affairs, and International Relations. In an accompanying statement to the committee, Congressman Metcalf said his report reveals that squalene was found in the anthrax vaccine in amounts that could boost immune response. He noted that this finding raises the possibility that squalene was used in inoculations given to Gulf War era veterans. Metcalf compiled the investigative report over a three-year period, putting together a team led by his Special Assistant, Norma Smith. The report contains a series of documented conclusions and an extensive compilation of supporting documents.

Here is former Congressman Metcalf's statement to the committee:
Statement of Congressman Jack Metcalf to the
Subcommittee on National Security, Veterans Affairs,
and International Relations
September 27, 2000

http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/to.../en/index.html

Also, according to the same document, squalene has been tested in several vaccines with no evidence of safety issues.

http://ajp.amjpathol.org/cgi/content...act/156/6/2057
The Endogenous Adjuvant Squalene Can Induce a Chronic T-Cell-Mediated Arthritis in Rats
Barbro C. Carlson*, Åsa M. Jansson*, Anders Larsson, Anders Bucht* and Johnny C. Lorentzen*
From the Department of Medicine,*
Unit of Rheumatology, Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm; the Department of Medical Sciences,
University Hospital, Uppsala; and the Department of Biomedicine,
Division of NBC Defense, Defense Research Establishment, Umeå, Sweden


Squalene is a cholesterol precursor, which stimulates the immune system nonspecifically. We demonstrate that one intradermal injection of this adjuvant lipid can induce joint-specific inflammation in arthritis-prone DA rats. Histopathological and immunohistochemical analyses revealed erosion of bone and cartilage, and that development of polyarthritis coincided with infiltration of ß+ T cells. Depletion of these cells with anti-ß TcR monoclonal antibody (R73) resulted in complete recovery, whereas anti-CD8 and anti- TcR injections were ineffective. The apparent dependence on CD4+ T cells suggested a role for genes within the major histocompatibility complex (MHC), and this was concluded from comparative studies of MHC congenic rat strains, in which DA.1H rats were less susceptible than DA rats. Furthermore, LEW.1AV1 and PVG.1AV1 rats with MHC identical to DA rats were arthritis-resistant, demonstrating that non-MHC genes also determine susceptibility. Some of these genetic influences could be linked to previously described arthritis susceptibility loci in an F2 intercross between DA and LEW.1AV1 rats (ie, Cia3, Oia2 and Cia5). Interestingly, some F2 hybrid rats developed chronic arthritis, a phenotype not apparent in the parental inbred strains. Our demonstration that an autoadjuvant can trigger chronic, immune-mediated joint-specific inflammation may give clues to the pathogenesis of rheumatoid arthritis, and it raises new questions concerning the role of endogenous molecules with adjuvant properties in chronic inflammatory diseases.

"Several experimental vaccines, including some pandemic flu vaccines, malaria vaccines, and various viral and bacterial vaccines, are also being developed with squalene-containing adjuvants, with the intention of enhancing immunogenicity and thereby efficacy. Clinical studies of squalene-containing vaccines have been performed in infants and neonates without evidence of safety concerns."

If you bother to check these into these studies, you will find that the monitoring of these tests lasted for only a few weeks. They did not do follow ups six months or a year later, and squalene poisoning takes a while to manifest.

Still, all this is just disinformation to get people confused and afraid, as this does not apply to the US. There are no Squalene, or any adjuvant, for that matter, in any of the FDA-approved flu vaccines.

"Do the approved Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent vaccines contain an adjuvant?

Novartis H1N1 Monovalent Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Beta-Propiolactone: Carcinogen

Polymyxin: Neurotoxin

Neomycin: Immunotoxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

No, these vaccines are manufactured according to the same processes as the licensed (approved) seasonal influenza vaccines, which do not contain adjuvants."

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVac.../ucm182335.htm

Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccines Descriptions and Ingredients

http://www.infowars.com/the-goal-of-...and-sterility/
The Goal of Every H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine: Immunotoxicity, Neurotoxicity and Sterility

Posted By admin On October 30, 2009 @ 7:00 am In Featured Stories | 62 Comments

Prevent Disease
October 30, 2009

Vaccine ingredients have been scientifically proven to cause immunotoxicity, neurotoxicity, sterility and cancer.

Science dictates that only a randomized double-blind, placebo-controlled study can generate unbiased results in any clinical trial. In the history of vaccine development, no such study has ever been performed. It is only unscientific opinions and pharmaceutical propaganda which have propelled the mythological validity, safety and effectiveness of vaccines. Dozens of controlled studies have scientifically verified the immunotoxicty, neurotoxicity and sterility of common vaccine ingredients which destroy human health, yet they are all ignored by conventional medicine.

There should be a public outcry and challenge to every public health official, medical specialist or scientist (from any country) who justifies the inoculation of their population without providing the evidence of safety and effectiveness of the respective H1N1 vaccine in their country.

The public should be demanding that their governments materialize at least one vaccine trial which is randomized, double-blind and placebo-controlled that can scientifically validate the assertions of public health officials.

Since the pharmacokinetic properties of vaccines are not studied, vaccine manufacturers cannot deny any of the toxic effects listed below. The reason they never analyze the absorption, distribution, metabolism or excretion of these ingredients is because it would eradicate the vaccine industry. However the individual effects of each ingredient and their toxic effects on cells are well documented.

Every Physician, Nurse or medical personnel who administers the H1N1 vaccine (or any vaccine) should be asking themselves why they are injecting the following ingredients into patients that have been scientifically proven to cause immunotoxicity, neurotoxicity, sterility and cancer:


Novartis Focetria Adjuvanted H1N1

Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent

Potassium Chloride: Neurotoxin

Squalene: Neurotoxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

Novartis H1N1 Monovalent Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Beta-Propiolactone: Carcinogen

Polymyxin: Neurotoxin

Neomycin: Immunotoxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

GlaxoSmithKline Arepanrix Adjuvanted

H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Formaldehyde: Carcinogen

Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent

Sodium Deoxycholate: Immunotoxin

Squalene: Neurotoxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

GlaxoSmithKline Pandemrix Adjuvanted

H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Octoxynol 10: Immunotoxin

Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent

Potassium Chloride: Neurotoxin

Sodium Deoxycholate: Immunotoxin

Squalene: Neurotoxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

GlaxoSmithKline Fluarix 2009-2010

Formula Ingredients/Toxicity

Formaldehyde: Carcinogen

Octoxynol 10: Immunotoxin

Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent

Sodium Deoxycholate: Immunotoxin

Sanofi-Pasteur H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Formaldehyde: Carcinogen

Polyethylene Glycol: Systemic Toxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

MedImmune H1N1 Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Monosodium Glutamate: Neurotoxin

Gentamicin Sulfate: Nephrotoxin

Monobasic Potassium Phosphate: Immunotoxin

FLUARIX 2009 Latest Package Insert Ingredients/Toxicity

Formaldehyde: Carcinogen

Gentamicin Sulfate: Nephrotoxic

Polysorbate 80: Sterilie Agent

Sodium Deoxycholate: Immunotoxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

CSL PANVAX H1N1 Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Beta-Propiolactone: Carcinogen

Neomycin: Immunotoxin

Sodium Taurodeoxycholate: Carcinogen/Immunotoxin

Polymyxin: Neurotoxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

CSL Afluria H1N1 Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity

Beta-Propiolactone: Carcinogen

Neomycin Sulfate: Immunotoxin

Polymyxin B: Neurotoxin

Potassium Chloride: Neurotoxin

Sodium Taurodeoxycholate: Carcinogen/Immunotoxin

Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

Note: An additional CSL H1N1 Vaccine is Undergoing Trials with AS03 Adjuvant which contains Squalene.

Adverse Reactions of Vaccines

Serious adverse reactions are as follows:

* Pain

* Redness

* Swelling

* Fatigue

* Headaches

* Arthralgia (joint inflammation)

* Myalgia (muscle inflammation)

* Shivering

* Sweating

* Swollen lymph nodes

* Fever

* Vomiting

* Tingling or numbness of the hands or feet

* Shortness of breath

* Vasculitis (inflammation of the blood vessels)

Serious adverse reactions are as follows:

* Blood and lymphatic system disorders (lymphadenopathy)

* Psychiatric disorders (insomnia)

* Nervous system disorders (dizziness, paraesthesia, inflammation of the central nervous system, inflammation of nerves, autoimmune disorders affecting myelin sheaths of nerves such as Guillain-Barré Syndrome)

* Ear and labyrinth disorders (vertigo)

* Respiratory, thoracic and mediastinal disorders (dyspnoea)

* Gastrointestinal disorders (nausea, diarrhea, abdominal pain, vomiting, dyspepsia, stomach discomfort)

* Skin and subcutaneous tissue disorders (pruritus, rash)

* Musculoskeletal and connective tissue disorders (back pain, musculoskeletal stiffness, neck pain, muscle spasms, pain in extremity)

* General disorders and administration site conditions (bruising, asthenia, chest pain, malaise)

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Now we see what's behind this disinformation and pathetic attempt to discredit the vaccine. This part really means "Buy our vitamins and other healthy medicine crap we sell at this very page! Give me your money and feel good about it!".

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Why More Flu Vaccine? Healthcare Workers 'Scared' To Take
by Rachel Friedman

Can vaccinations actually fuel pandemics? According to a study released August 26, 2009 by the British Medical Journal, more than half of Hong Kong's healthcare workers surveyed said they would refuse the H1N1 shot, which is not yet available, because they are afraid of side effects and doubt how safe and effective it will be.

More importantly, the study suggested the trend would be repeated worldwide.

"The truth is that vaccines aren't effective, generally carry dangerous side effects, and in many cases actually fuel the spread of pandemics," said Dr. Leonard Horowitz, a Harvard University trained medical researcher who also holds a Master's Degree in Public Health.
"The fact is that most healthcare workers know this, and they don't trust that any swine flu vaccine will do anything but cause more problems and potential harm to the patients they care for."

In Dr. Horowitz's view, vaccines do more harm than good, and are little more than a way for the pharmaceutical companies to profit from epidemics and side effects.

"In April, 2009, the swine flu scare placed the world at high alert thanks to gads of suspicious publicity," Dr. Horowitz said. "Anglo-American officials and Reuters News Service first claimed this was a rapidly spreading combination of the world's scariest flu's – swine, avian and Spanish flu viruses. They were all said to be rolled up in this never-before-seen Mexican pathogen."

The scare, however, seemed to have less substance than volume, as the thousands of U.S. deaths that were predicted never happened, Dr. Horowitz added.

"The H1N1 swine flu shot is more of a drug than a vaccine given the list of toxic chemical ingredients causing side effects including Guillain-Barre syndrome, a deadly paralyzing disorder widespread after the 1976 swine flu vaccination campaign." Dr. Horowitz continued.

"Vaccines are an aberration, and the medical profession and pharmaceutical companies have been playing fast and loose with explaining how vaccines immunize people," he said. "Classic immunology draws an important distinction between the terms 'immunize' and 'vaccinate.'

By casually substituting 'immunization' for 'vaccination,' the pharmaceutical machine mystifies the masses. More accurately, vaccinations cause hyper-sensitizations.

Simply put white blood cell body guards begin to attack far more than desired. Myriad auto-immune diseases and childhood injuries result from vaccinations. However, pseudo-scientists and ignorant health officials confuse this matter with the 'immunization' misnomer. Similarly, they repeat the myth that vaccines, not improvements in hygiene and nutrition, caused the great reduction, or alleged elimination, of deadly human diseases."

Note: Unlike the vaccines, which have been tried and tested, the products sold on the referred page all have the suspicious remark in tiny letters at the bottom of the page:
* These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.
This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.

Why would anyone think those products would be safe or do any benefit at all?

If you do any research on Vitamin D, you will find much evidence that it combats flu and other sicknesses. If the CDC and WHO cares so much about the people, then why do you suppose they don't tell people about the benifits along with suggesting the flu vaccine? I refer you to an article I posted written by Robert Kennedy Jr. on vaccines that I put under General Survial Discussion. I also find it ironic that the vaccine manufacturers refuse to let independent testing be done on their vaccines, but I guess that is because it is so safe!

I think it's really a shame that people ignore respected sources of information and choose to believe in unverified claims received by e-mail.

Sir - The shame I believe is that the warnings of independent doctors and researchers, who don't stand to gain anything, are being ignored, while the word of vaccine manufacturers, who stand to make Billions and Billions of dollars off fleecing the public with these vaccines, is taken as gospel. There are thousands of links you can look up on Google, so folks, don't be a sheep. Do some searches and find out the truth about what is going on. If the vaccine manufacturers are so lily white, then how come Baxter International put in for a patent on the H1N1 virus in 2007, when the world only heard of it's existance in April of 2009 - By the way, they received their patent on the virus in March of 2009! What a coincindence!!!

[blackkitty]

Originally Posted by Graywolf

Beerman - I don't know who you are, but I find it interesting that you have only been here since October 2009, and of the 24 posts you have made, all are in in the section of swine flu and all state how safe the vaccine is. I hope I am wrong, but I believe you are a plant.



Sir - The shame I believe is that the warnings of independent doctors and researchers, who don't stand to gain anything, are being ignored, while the word of vaccine manufacturers, who stand to make Billions and Billions of dollars off fleecing the public with these vaccines, is taken as gospel. There are thousands of links you can look up on Google, so folks, don't be a sheep. Do some searches and find out the truth about what is going on. If the vaccine manufacturers are so lily white, then how come Baxter International put in for a patent on the H1N1 virus in 2007, when the world only heard of it's existance in April of 2009 - By the way, they received their patent on the virus in March of 2009! What a coincindence!!!

Most people come to survivalistsboards via google. Doesn't make them a plant. I came on a swine flu topic I found on google and have stayed since...

[Graywolf]

The only point I was making is that for someone to come onto the boards to supposedly learn, and the only part of the site they frequent is the swine flu area, and the only posts they make talk about how safe the vaccine is makes me a little uneasy. If I am wrong, I sincerely appologise, but I would rather be wrong, that to not say anything and have a bunch of people go out and take this terrible vaccine without anyone trying to warm them of the dangers.

[HowardRoark]

Originally Posted by blackkitty

Most people come to survivalistsboards via google. Doesn't make them a plant. I came on a swine flu topic I found on google and have stayed since...

Since May 1, 2009 blackkitty created 308 threads.

Almost every one is a copy/paste of a mainstream media news article hyping swine-flu fears.

See for yourself: Search > Advance Search > Search by Username > blackkitty > pulldown menu: Find Threads by User.

[Graywolf]

I already said if I was wrong, I am sincerely sorry ... but it makes me curious when the first thing mentioned was that squelene wasn't used in the anthrax vaccine given to soldiers, and yet with a little searching, you find that Congressman Metcalf, reporting to the House Subcommittee, said his report reveals that squalene was found in the anthrax vaccine in amounts that could boost immune response. There has been a many studies on Squalene by independent researchers, and I believe an independent researcher a thousand times quicker that I would one that is paid by the government to spout the government's viewpoints. My doctor won't get it, he advised my family not to get it, and basically said it was dangerous and that the benifits were far outweighed by the risks. We are all little people, but I watch the doctors and nurses ... a third of the will NOT take it, and another third don't want to take it, but are afraid of loosing their jobs, so they are trapped. Now the new health bill has a part in it that makes vaccines mandatory, or you will not be given medical treatment until you have updated your vaccines. This all just smells to high heaven, so if I am paranoid, please forgive me, and for the third and final time, if I falsely accused someone, please accept my sincerest appologies. The point is ... do your own research on this vaccine ... everything I have read that is not the "official" policy, is warning people against it. There was a news conference where the CDC was asked how they could be certain that the H1N1 vaccine would work. They said they have been monitoring it, and it has not mutated (which would make the vaccine ineffective), so it will prevent swine flu. Then later in the conference, they were asked that since the swine flu was so much milder that the seasonal flu, why were they pushing the vaccine so hard. They said because they were worried it would mutate! Duh ... Something IS NOT RIGHT!

[squeak]

Originally Posted by Graywolf

Beerman - I don't know who you are, but I find it interesting that you have only been here since October 2009, and of the 24 posts you have made, all are in in the section of swine flu and all state how safe the vaccine is. I hope I am wrong, but I believe you are a plant.



Sir - The shame I believe is that the warnings of independent doctors and researchers, who don't stand to gain anything, are being ignored, while the word of vaccine manufacturers, who stand to make Billions and Billions of dollars off fleecing the public with these vaccines, is taken as gospel. There are thousands of links you can look up on Google, so folks, don't be a sheep. Do some searches and find out the truth about what is going on. If the vaccine manufacturers are so lily white, then how come Baxter International put in for a patent on the H1N1 virus in 2007, when the world only heard of it's existance in April of 2009 - By the way, they received their patent on the virus in March of 2009! What a coincindence!!!

Graywolf, don't waste your time with these Obamabots who are masquerading as "survivalist newbies". It's so obvious they are part of the paid disinfo brigade. Why does beerman give a rat's ass if ppl decide for themselves whether to get an untried and potentially harmful vaccine perpetrated by govt?

That's the point, he shouldn't care. It's called individual choice, and autonomy over their own being. Yet he protesteth too much and gives himself away. Really Obama needs to start paying just a wee bit over minimum wage so that he can attract employees with more motivation than supporting their beer habits.

[squeak]

Originally Posted by blackkitty

Most people come to survivalistsboards via google. Doesn't make them a plant. I came on a swine flu topic I found on google and have stayed since...

Can you document this? Who's to say how most ppl venture on a survivalist board?

It is only those in very deep denial who don't realize that "survivalist-types" are being watched and infiltrated by the establishment globalists.

All newbies should be taken with a grain of salt until they prove themselves worthy of respect. It is the wise man who is leary of someone with only 1 month and/or few stats of posting history.

Sure it doesn't mean they are plants, but it doesn't exonerate them either. The content of their posts will make it crystal clear.

[blackkitty]

Originally Posted by HowardRoark

Since May 1, 2009 blackkitty created 308 threads.

Almost every one is a copy/paste of a mainstream media news article hyping swine-flu fears.

See for yourself: Search > Advance Search > Search by Username > blackkitty > pulldown menu: Find Threads by User.

...ya you got me. I'm a government plant. Oh man you are just so smart.

All these other posts in the other sections must be part of my 'cover'??

*Michelle Obama and her Staffers.

*Any one going to see "The Road"

*Shooting Spree at Ft.Hood

*Get Windows 7 Update Version and do clean install to save $$$

*Disasters may catch Canada unprepared: AG report

*Murderer with 'aggression genes' gets sentence cut

..........Must be a Microsoft plant too.

[blackkitty]

Originally Posted by squeak

Can you document this? Who's to say how most ppl venture on a survivalist board?

It is only those in very deep denial who don't realize that "survivalist-types" are being watched and infiltrated by the establishment globalists.

All newbies should be taken with a grain of salt until they prove themselves worthy of respect. It is the wise man who is leary of someone with only 1 month and/or few stats of posting history.

Sure it doesn't mean they are plants, but it doesn't exonerate them either. The content of their posts will make it crystal clear.

OK...this whole 'plant' thing is ridiculous. That edges on paranoid delusional. Didn't a few people on these boards here say government can't do things right...yet can 'infiltrate' and 'plant government agents' to post topics and threads in forums on the internet...or whatever....so it's really really really good at that...

Governments only care to look after themselves. I'm sure they don't give a rats ass what a bunch of 'survivalist-types' do with their time. I'm pretty sure they have computer networks that do surveillance of all potential threats via key words (especially the closer you get to government...so for people that work in the government agencies and the military for instance its more extensive surveillance)...but to think they have the manpower to hire people to post on websites to 'push a view'...is taking it way too far.

Its funny how someone who has an opposing view is always a 'plant'. I came on the swine flu. Its a topic I am really interested in. I mostly posted there at first before venturing out to other parts of this forum.

Ask Kev where most of the people come from. I'm 99% sure he'll say google...why?...cause it's the top search engine. Just look up any of these threads...they are all in google's cache.

[anne36]

blackitty noone said you were a plant, the point was to be wary of taking the identity of online personalities for granted.

This is not any revelation. Im sure we all understand there will be trolls and people who deliberatly spread misinformation.

You think its funny that someone think youre a plant? Its no joke because they are out there whether you want to believe it or not.

[packrat09]

Originally Posted by blackkitty

OK...this whole 'plant' thing is ridiculous. That edges on paranoid delusional. Didn't a few people on these boards here say government can't do things right...yet can 'infiltrate' and 'plant government agents' to post topics and threads in forums on the internet...or whatever....so it's really really really good at that...

Governments only care to look after themselves. I'm sure they don't give a rats ass what a bunch of 'survivalist-types' do with their time. I'm pretty sure they have computer networks that do surveillance of all potential threats via key words (especially the closer you get to government...so for people that work in the government agencies and the military for instance its more extensive surveillance)...but to think they have the manpower to hire people to post on websites to 'push a view'...is taking it way too far.

Its funny how someone who has an opposing view is always a 'plant'. I came on the swine flu. Its a topic I am really interested in. I mostly posted there at first before venturing out to other parts of this forum.

Ask Kev where most of the people come from. I'm 99% sure he'll say google...why?...cause it's the top search engine. Just look up any of these threads...they are all in google's cache.

If you really think that no one cares about us survivalist types, you are sadly mistaken. We are the part of the population the gov't is most worried about. We do not follow just because they say it is safe, therefor we are a threat to their mission.

And no one can EVER convince me that vaccines are safe, I have researched them too well, and know from personal experience.

[squeak]

Originally Posted by blackkitty

OK...this whole 'plant' thing is ridiculous. That edges on paranoid delusional. Didn't a few people on these boards here say government can't do things right...yet can 'infiltrate' and 'plant government agents' to post topics and threads in forums on the internet...or whatever....so it's really really really good at that...

Governments only care to look after themselves. I'm sure they don't give a rats ass what a bunch of 'survivalist-types' do with their time. I'm pretty sure they have computer networks that do surveillance of all potential threats via key words (especially the closer you get to government...so for people that work in the government agencies and the military for instance its more extensive surveillance)...but to think they have the manpower to hire people to post on websites to 'push a view'...is taking it way too far.

Its funny how someone who has an opposing view is always a 'plant'. I came on the swine flu. Its a topic I am really interested in. I mostly posted there at first before venturing out to other parts of this forum.

Ask Kev where most of the people come from. I'm 99% sure he'll say google...why?...cause it's the top search engine. Just look up any of these threads...they are all in google's cache.

Right, just like there's really no SCIU, ACORN, and other folks paid to go around cheerleading for the govt. when it faces opposition (such as the tea parties and town halls). Yea those thugs didn't exist at all, they were all just a figment of ppl's imagination! Mainstream news has reported that Obama has placed countless ads for "paid volunteers" to promote his agenda. Where have you been?

Craigslist ads recruiting 'Obamacare' lobbyists
'Help pass Obama's health care reform! Earn $325-$550 per week!'

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=106537


Really why do you think Homeland Security exists? You don't think they get on the internet and pretend to be whatever they thinks threatens the govt, which by their own admission is Vets, Christian believers, gun-owners, right-wing conservative folks, and abortion protesters?

You're not based in reality if you don't think they have paid ppl pretending to be survivors or whatever they assume is too anti-establishment, infiltrating the networks as one of them. I know for a fact they do, as I've known an agent who's done it. It's done all the time, most times legitimately as part of their investigations into genuine criminal activity.

However, some is only "suspected". They consider gun ownership anti-govt activity, and are always looking for a way to criminalize it. Survivalists are considered fringe in their beliefs about govt. If you think there are no plants here wanting to confuse, change message, pretend to be common folk "just trying to learn" but promoting the status quo of non-thinking sheeple in an effort to shame ppl who do think outside the box-you are so ignorant of survivalism that there's no point discussing with you.

Btw I saw no one call you a plant. However, arguing that survivalists aren't carefully monitored is an insistence that will discredit you and have ppl wondering.

You can ridicule it as absurd and continue status quo thinking. I'll be leary of anyone I choose to be. And who come in here by the droves and exhibit the exact opposite of a survivalist mentality by expecting folks to simply act like the sheeple and trust the friggin govt! ROFL!!

[beerman]

Originally Posted by Graywolf

Beerman - I don't know who you are, but I find it interesting that you have only been here since October 2009, and of the 24 posts you have made, all are in in the section of swine flu and all state how safe the vaccine is. I hope I am wrong, but I believe you are a plant.

I came in contact with SurvivalistBoards when researching about survivalist terminology (such as SHTF, TEOTWAWKI, Bug-out-vehicle). I find it very interesting to imagine and plan for such scenarios.

I was happy being just a reader of the forums, but then I stumbled upon this category, and found out, that ~75% of the participants had a very negative opinion about the swine flu vaccine and would not take it. It came to me as a surprise, because I thought most people would be rushing to get it.

When reading about the reasons for it, however, although some have decided against the vax after making an informed risk vs reward assessment, most are based on ignorance, misinformation or paranoia.

It came to the point I thought I had to register and share my opinion, as well as helping others to get informed, always with reference to studies and reliable sources of information. That is also why I check this topic most frequently, and lately almost exclusively, wanting to hear feedback and news about the subject.

If you think I´m a plant, I can´t help you there. There is nothing I can say that would change your mind, nothing I can do to prove I´m not. (If I were, I wouldn´t tell you anyway, would I? )

Originally Posted by Graywolf

Gulf War Syndrome
ANTI-SQUALENE ANTIBODIES LINK
GULF WAR SYNDROME TO ANTHRAX VACCINE
(...)
On September 27, 2000, Congressman Jack Metcalf of Washington presented an investigative report on Gulf War illnesses to the House Subcommittee on National Security, Veterans Affairs, and International Relations. In an accompanying statement to the committee, Congressman Metcalf said his report reveals that squalene was found in the anthrax vaccine in amounts that could boost immune response. He noted that this finding raises the possibility that squalene was used in inoculations given to Gulf War era veterans. Metcalf compiled the investigative report over a three-year period, putting together a team led by his Special Assistant, Norma Smith. The report contains a series of documented conclusions and an extensive compilation of supporting documents.

Actually, both Metcalf and the investigators ASSUMED there was squalene in the vaccines because they found anti-squalene antibodies in the gulf war veterans. Below are exerts of the actual report Metcalf was referring to, as well as the full report.

"DOD Officials Report They Considered, but Decided Against, Using Vaccines With Novel Adjuvent Formulations, Including Squalene"

"Independent Researchers State They Have Detected Squalene Antibodies in Gulf War-Era Veterans"

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...=f:ns99005.pdf

The thing is, those antibodies are also present in people who were never immunized with vaccines containing squalene. Also, antisqualene antibodies are not increased by immunization with vaccines with the MF59 adjuvant (squalene).

"Squalene is a naturally occurring oil which has been used in the development of vaccine adjuvants, such as the oil-in-water emulsion MF59. In past years, by use of noncontrolled and nonvalidated assays, a claim was made that antisqualene antibodies were detectable in the sera of individuals with the so-called Gulf War syndrome. Using a validated enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay for the quantitation of immunoglobulin G (IgG) and IgM antibodies against squalene, we demonstrated that antisqualene antibodies are frequently detectable at very low titers in the sera of subjects who were never immunized with vaccines containing squalene. More importantly, vaccination with a subunit influenza vaccine with the MF59 adjuvant neither induced antisqualene antibodies nor enhanced preexisting antisqualene antibody titers. In conclusion, antisqualene antibodies are not increased by immunization with vaccines with the MF59 adjuvant. These data extend the safety profile of the MF59 emulsion adjuvant."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...6/?tool=pubmed

Originally Posted by Graywolf

Novartis H1N1 Monovalent Influenza Vaccine Ingredients/Toxicity
Beta-Propiolactone: Carcinogen
Polymyxin: Neurotoxin
Neomycin: Immunotoxin
Thimerosal: Neurotoxin

The Goal of Every H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine: Immunotoxicity, Neurotoxicity and Sterility

Posted By admin On October 30, 2009 @ 7:00 am In Featured Stories | 62 Comments

Prevent Disease
October 30, 2009

Vaccine ingredients have been scientifically proven to cause immunotoxicity, neurotoxicity, sterility and cancer.

The e-mail received by the OP just claimed vaccines were dangerous because of squalene. If you with to discuss this, I think it would be better if you posted this other toxicity, sterility and cancer claims in another thread.

Originally Posted by Graywolf

If you do any research on Vitamin D, you will find much evidence that it combats flu and other sicknesses. If the CDC and WHO cares so much about the people, then why do you suppose they don't tell people about the benifits along with suggesting the flu vaccine? I refer you to an article I posted written by Robert Kennedy Jr. on vaccines that I put under General Survial Discussion. I also find it ironic that the vaccine manufacturers refuse to let independent testing be done on their vaccines, but I guess that is because it is so safe!

I never said Vitamin D does not help combat flu and other sicknesses; it could or could not, as I haven´t had the interest to research on it. I said the same doctors that discredit the vaccines, sell products that are NOT TESTED by the FDA for the claims they make. Why assume it´s safe? Why the same doctors that instigate people to fear the vaccines do not alert of possible vitamin D intoxication as well?

"Health Risks from Excessive Vitamin D
Vitamin D toxicity can cause nonspecific symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, poor appetite, constipation, weakness, and weight loss [87]. More seriously, it can also raise blood levels of calcium, causing mental status changes such as confusion and heart rhythm abnormalities [7]. The use of supplements of both calcium (1,000 mg/day) and vitamin D (400 IU/day) by postmenopausal women was associated with a 17% increase in the risk of kidney stones over 7 years in the Women's Health Initiative [88]. Deposition of calcium and phosphate in the kidneys and other soft tissues can also be caused by excessive vitamin D levels [46]. A serum 25(OH)D concentration consistently >200 ng/mL (>500 nmol/L) is considered to be potentially toxic [11]. In an animal model, concentrations ≤400 ng/mL (≤1,000 nmol/L) were not associated with harm [14]."

http://dietary-supplements.info.nih....s/vitamind.asp

I don´t want to dwell on Vit D. It´s just an example, because you mentioned it. I was referring to health products on that page in general.

Originally Posted by Graywolf

Sir - The shame I believe is that the warnings of independent doctors and researchers, who don't stand to gain anything, are being ignored, while the word of vaccine manufacturers, who stand to make Billions and Billions of dollars off fleecing the public with these vaccines, is taken as gospel.

Don´t stand to gain anything? Come on, give me a break. Dr. Mercola´s line of health products, Dr. Blaylock´s site to sell vitamins, Jane Burgermeister´s website to receive US$75.000 in donations, Bill Sardi´s tons of "mystery" health books for sale... see a pattern there?

Originally Posted by Graywolf

There are thousands of links you can look up on Google, so folks, don't be a sheep. Do some searches and find out the truth about what is going on. If the vaccine manufacturers are so lily white, then how come Baxter International put in for a patent on the H1N1 virus in 2007, when the world only heard of it's existance in April of 2009 - By the way, they received their patent on the virus in March of 2009! What a coincindence!!!

Are you serious? Why didn´t you use your thousand of google links to find you that the Influenza A-H1N1 subtype was present in the 1918 Spanish flu and the 1977 Russian flu, among others?

[HowardRoark]

Originally Posted by blackkitty

OK...this whole 'plant' thing is ridiculous. That edges on paranoid delusional. Didn't a few people on these boards here say government can't do things right...yet can 'infiltrate' and 'plant government agents' to post topics and threads in forums on the internet...or whatever....so it's really really really good at that...

I do not believe you are a plant. You are certainly enthusiastic in making your points.

We are all faced with information overload. Sadly, much of the information we receive on a daily basis is disseminated by a few central producers who pick and choose very carefully what reaches our attention and what does not. This has been especially true for swine-flu where the media has remained almost militarily on-message, very rarely permitting alternative messages to get through.

An internet forum is only as good as its posters. The electronic term signal-to-noise ratio has been co-opted by the forum-management world as way to value a forum. Signal is good information. Noise is clutter.

This forum can be an exceptional place for people with all views to come together and debate the main issues and when responding to posts you often add "signal" to the conversation.

The topics you create, on the other hand, are almost entirely "noise" as they are simple copy/pastes of mainstream news articles we can get everywhere else. Most disappear with zero responses but have the effect of devaluing the forum as a whole.

[Not Me]

The Govt puts Vit D in our milk, asking people to take more vitamin D is hardly a conspiracy to get people to buy "our" vitamins. :\ I don't think the Dr. is associated with Carlson's.

Vit D provides more health benefits than just to bones and preventing ricketts. Since I can get a bottle of Vit D to last me and the family a month, cost about 8$... I don't exactly feel like I'm being ripped off. That's cheaper than 4 flu shots, anyway.

Oh, that Carlson's also supplies omega-3s and is lemon-flavored "Castor Oil," you know that stuff that generations before vaccines gave their kids to "keep them healthy."

It doesn't bother me if you choose to have the vaccine... why should it bother you if others are cautious??