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#1 ·
If a State or Group of States withdrew from the Union and set up a strictly constitutionallly based government.

One based exactly on what our forefathers set up.

Would you leave your area and move there?

Also, what do you think the federal government would do?

And which state or what area do you think it would be?
 
#77 ·
PHTTT!!!

Here in SC we were the first to do it and we've kept out finger in Fedzilla's eye in one way or another ever since. Recently we bucked the Real ID act, passed a tax free firearms holiday just after Obama was elected and now there is even a bill in the state house prohibiting the federal govt from banning "assault weapons" in SC. Oh yea, and our Governor wants NOTHING to do with federal bail out funds. If it were to go down, I'd say it would start here again. Matter a fact there are several groups already suggesting it again.
 
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#3 ·
There are over 25 secessionist movements operating in North America right now. Chattanooga, TN was the site of the 2nd annual North American Secession Conference in 2008 and the one in 2007.

That conference was hosted by the League of the South. At both those conferences there were representatives from various secessionist movements from Hawaii, Alaska, California, Vermont, Native American tribes and all the Southern states.

The first area most likely to secede will be the proposed Nation of Atzlan in the Southwest but it won't be set up like our forefathers set things up.

The second will probably be Hawaii as they have a pretty strong independence movement.

Vermont is humming along pretty well and I believe the 3rd annual secession conference might be held in that state.

Probably the largest and most active secessionist movement which meets the criterion you described is being carried out in the Southern states. This coming weekend, the 5th and 6th of December will see the first meeting of the Southern National Congress in Hendersonville, TN. Delegates from 13 Southern states will be present. There they will vote on documents they have drafted which will be sent to the President of the US, all members of Congress and the legislatures of the several southern states. These documents deal with unjust wars and out of control immigration and their impact on the South and her people.

The League of the South, mentioned above, is the premier secessionist organization in North America which seeks a return to a Constitutional Union of sovereign states as envisioned by our revolutionary forefathers.

If they and the Southern National Congress are successful, than I don't have to move anywhere 'cause I'll already be in an area free from the dictates of Washington, DC.
 
#4 ·
I think that would be great, but it will never happen.

Not sure if I could up and move without a plan and if it was say California (as if) no way would I move there.

The federal govt already is trying to presure states into the national ID when they clearly dont want it. They have already threatened to take away freedom to travel and next they will probably withhold federal aid money for those states who dont comply.

Its all an allusion that the states have any power at all, just like its an allusion that we live in a democracy. When the federal govt decides to put their foot down state by state they are slowly chipping away.(example, forced vaccinations. before long no state will have religious or personal exemption)
 
#5 ·
All the reasons you listed and a million more are exactly why one or more states WILL secede in the future.

Nobody thought the Iron Curtain was going to fall either but it did. Map makers are having a hard time keeping up with the political changes around the world. As soon as they make one world map it is outdated by new upheavels. Devolution of governments is the current trend rather than Empires. The US and Canada will eventually break up into more manageable, citizen-friendly regional governments just as has every other artificial national entity throughout history.

It doesn't matter whether we like the idea or not. Such things just happen.
 
#11 ·
That's what Honest Abe's Republican Party was all about for the last 143 years, abolition of states' rights.

As for US troops killing millions, I guess it all depends on where their loyalties eventually lie. Will they lie with their home states? Will they be loyal to the Constitution or an anti-Constitutional government?

If the secessionist states are, again, the Southern states a lot has changed militarily in the last 100 years. The military balance of power now lies in the South with the vast majority of military production being centered in 3 Southern states: Texas, Florida and Virginia. Most of the important military bases are located in the South including most of the basic training schools for all the primary MOS's. Most of the most capable and important military units are located in the South.

The martial spirit is centered in the South. While the South only makes up 1/3rd of the US population it is over represented in all branches of the service.

Things are different this go around. There might actually be a chance to see limited Constitutional government in our life time.
 
#8 ·
If any of you guys want to keep the red, white and blue but want to leave the republic you're more than welcome to keep the colours and return to the mother country!

I can assure you, all will be forgotten and you will be welcomed with open arms.

After all, we knew it would happen at some point. :D:

Come join our Commonwealth, perhaps the strongest and most powerful financial, political, and military union in the world.

YB
 
#20 ·
I do believe that states could leave the Union and not face a reprisal. I do think that the Peoples' Republic of Kalifornia would NOT be one invited to join the southern confederation of states. I think that North Koreafornia...err... Kalifornia would have to go it alone because nobody else would want to have their socialist policies hampering the smoother operation of a confederation. From Missouri west down to Nevada would be states that would go with a confederation like the old Confederacy of the Civil War.
 
#121 ·
Ahem...

Don't go including the great state of Jefferson in your inclusion of the people's free socialist democratic soviet republic of Kommieforniastan... or mistaking us pro-constitutional, pro-freedom, pro-second amendment citizens north of , say, the 39th parallel for those in the metropolitan areas south of said great dividing line such as Scam Fransisko, Lost Bandages, or Sackorottentomato...

There IS a reason the Jeffersonian Secessionist Movement is alive and well...

http://www.soj51.net/
 
#21 ·
Joe,
Maybe you could do some explaining. What oath did you take? And what do you mean sign up... aren't you already enlisted if you took the oath? And where exactly does it say in your oath that you are able to defy the Constitution and Posse Comitatus.

I can't believe your way of thinking.. of lack therof. This is why so many people are fed up with government. Brainwashed people that would KILL their own based on orders from the central power. That's why I never believe talking heads when they say our own military wouldn't fire upon us. This is proof they would.

If a state(s) leaves the union, its not that they betrayed their country. Its because their country betrayed them.
 
#27 ·
Federalism is the true strength of this country. if you don't know enough about it, I suggest you read up on it (not directed at anyone in particular).

the orignal states would never have surrendered individual authorities and rights for themselves, without STRONG checks and balances on federal government power.

the Civil War was a war fought because of federalist principles. States' rights was far more of a reason than the popular version(s) (read: slavery). today, we are faced with a bloated, over-reaching federal government that would make the founding fathers' wigs blast off. :eek:

I do not want the likes of Kalifornia's and Masschusettes liberal loopy dopes telling me what to do should I live in a more conservative state (which I don't yet, unfortunately, I live in ****ty NY for chrissakes. a blue state, filled with liberal ***********).

strong Federalism allows conservative states to succeed despite cancerous liberalism in federal government. the sun belt is filled with examples. Utah is a beacon of shining light in that regard.....
 
#37 ·
I have to say, whether this happens or not, IF it does, I envision some nasty stuff going on... I would stay and fight for sure, to what end I have no clue, but the idea of taking on cruise missles, f22's, f16's, a10's and b52's makes me worry a bit. I mean what would it take to break a state?

I know that's anti-survival attitude leaking out of me, but if it went full fledged as it did in the past you cant think it would be a ground war? I mean air superiority seems to be the win. I know we have many naval and airbases in the south as well as many army bases and arsenals.

This would make for some interesting writing.
 
#38 ·
Here's a good recent example and then an extrapolation from it that may give some insight.

A couple of days after Hurricane Katrina Forrest County Mississippi (a diaster area but 100 miles from the Coast) had run out of ice and was being promised a shipment from FEMA. Medical facilities were in need and people were getting pretty tense when they stood in line at the distribution point for hours a day only to learn that no ice had arrived to hand out.

The county Sheriff then discovered that 2 semis loaded with ice were being parked (had been parked for a couple of days) at a truck stop waiting for orders on whether to go to the Miss. Coast or to New Orleans. The Sheriff pleaded with FEMA to no avail. Finally, the Sheriff and several deputies commandeered the trucks and distributed the ice.

A year or so after the storm, word leaked out in the press that FEMA and the DOJ were pushing for a federal indictment of the Sheriff. The local US Attorney refused and asked to be recused form the investigation and case. They tried to get a US Attorney from Louisiana to handle it. He also refused. Ultimatey the case was never carried forward and the Sheriff became a folk hero. There was even a push for im to be written in in the last Governor's race.

Great Story. But here's the Caveat. Had the tensions not significantly eased I have heard from a good friend that is a local fed, that all future shipments of ice and supplies would have been sent through Camp Shelby. Located in Forrest County, Shelby is the largest National Guard training camp in the Country. Units from all over are brought through there and it is always stationed with troops from other states. I guarantee that iff a Michigan, Illinois or California (as examples) unit were stationed there and given the order to "protect these supplies" from local "insurgents" there would have been vast bloodshed.

The South may well have the majority of bases and firepower, but you can bet your arse that most of that will be put to use as Washington declares it.
 
#44 ·
That is a good story. I disagree though, that there would have been any bloodshed at the NG base. As well as the top law enforcment official for the county, a sheriff is also an elected position. That requires diplomacy. The sheriff would be quite capable of working something out with the commanding officer of the NG.

Besides, the NG are supposed to be under the command of the Govenor...
 
#43 ·
Two useful links there.

Although the knife link makes no mention of martial artists carrying offensive weapons while on their way to training, this is legal. It is also legal to carry a sheath knife if you are involved in an activity where it's use would be deemed reasonable.

The FAC form seems reasonable to me. Your referee should be someone who is fairly intelligent and who is an "upstanding" citizen. Checking your medical and criminal records seems pretty obvious and fair to me as well.

Off the top of my head, 1000 people are murdered in the UK each year (roughly 50 people are murdered by guns), out of a population of 60,000,000 that's quite a low figure.
 
#64 ·
Actually, every state has the right to leave the Union. It's a voluntary Union not a hostage situation. Anyone who would force a people to continue to suffer under a government they consider intolerable is probably the same kind of person who would tie his wife up in the house to keep her from running off to "save" his marriage.
 
#53 ·
Conspiring to secede is equal to conspiring to treason. If you're unhappy with the government, make your feelings known at the polls - especially the primaries where you have the most opportunity to create change by throwing incumbents out.

Fight for your country, don't abandon it.
 
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#54 ·
its not our country who has abandoned us it is the Government!!! The Constitution shall never abandon us!!!



As for the whole make your feelings known at the polls, its hard when there are so many sheeple out there who keep their head buried in the television watching who Paris Hilton and Britney spears are doing.
 
#58 ·
Would life under a secessionist utopia really be all you're cracking it up to be? All governments are corrupt to some extent. Would it be long before the government of an independent Texas became like the government you were trying to get away from, only with Big Bubba instead of Big Brother?
 
#61 ·
And any new constitution in this or any new country would not include a right to keep and bear arms.

Texas is not a great plan, either. If there's a war with latin America and places south, it is going to be fought in Texas.
 
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