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Old 06-21-2017, 03:33 PM
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1895 Nagant. You can suppress them and I know first hand a 9mm suppressor works great with wadcutter loads. You can make it spit out bullets at all kinds of velocity.

Get a 32ACP Cylinder and call it good.
you cannot suppress a nagant with 32acp, you can only suppress them with gas seal ammunition which is rather rare and unreloadable.. you can make gas seal brass using 223 brass but its a bitch to do, so no, the nagant isnt an option

something like the beretta 70 would work better and could be left in a BOB, or a ruger 22 pistol if i were to take a pretty sizeable hit on muzzle energy
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no ones forcing you to read it and inject your snarky comments, youre more than welcome to troll elsewhere
It's ok I don't have anything to do, we're getting a lot of rain here, nothing else to do. I usually stay out of your threads but meh slow day.

I did try to give you good advice but as usual you go and want to chase the unicorn. Semiautos are not accurate but I don't want a revolver cause it won't suppress. Blah blah blah.

You have to make allowances, suppress or 0.0000243" better accuracy?

The reason they have different caliber ammunition is so you can get the correct one for the job. .22lr has killed countless millions of assorted sized critters with 2 to 4 legs. It's cheaper than anything else out there.

But you want to make the wrong one work with outlandish half baked delusions.

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I wonder if anyone makes a 9mm chamber insert for .357?

A .357 lever gun and 9mm pistol...

Or just skip the 9mm and get a Coonan in .357.
No need for weight savings as you'd have two clubs to bludgeon your opponents with.

Unless your opponents were mutants or aliens, then they may have hard skulls.
But then would a .357 even work at all?
 
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I have a USGI conversion kit for M16 / AR15 - it works quite well ( function wise ) with HV ammo, less well with standard vel. Accuracy is good but not excellent. I've shot a few squirrels with it ...
^^^This seems to fit nicely.
Since you are transitioning to 5.56.
5.56 and 22lr if the 22 is accurate enough to hit a squirrel/rabbit etc..dont even carry a pistol if u dont want to.
I would keep one in 9mm or larger caliber but seems you don't care to so no need.
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i wouldnt even need a 22lr "conversion kit" as advertised, sure i could get one which seems to be bolt, mags, and chamber adapter but id rather keep a mag loaded with 5.56 then single load it with a 22 round and if need be i can just rack the charging handle and be loaded up with 5.56 again in a split second

what do you think of this adapter on the right? carry 2-3 of those and they should work in any 5.56 rifle, even my 5.56 AK-74

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you cannot suppress a nagant with 32acp, you can only suppress them with gas seal ammunition which is rather rare and unreloadable.. you can make gas seal brass using 223 brass but its a bitch to do, so no, the nagant isnt an option

something like the beretta 70 would work better and could be left in a BOB, or a ruger 22 pistol if i were to take a pretty sizeable hit on muzzle energy
You don't need to make brass. I have piles of brass waiting to be loaded for mine right now. You can swap out the cylinder fast. You won't need 100% suppression all the time and you can load 100s real fast in it. 85s even faster. I've taken coyote with my 1895 and 85 grain XTPs moving pretty fast. It's lights out and I can tell you it kills much better than any 32ACP case could push them.

The brass lasts literally forever with subsonic loadings. You can load up some multi ball "buckshot" loads with it too. Extremely versatile platform and very unthreatening looking. I carry mine regularly on deer hunts with "cowboy" super light loads to take small game if I'm Not seeing any deer. I hunt so I go home with meat. I don't care if it's squirrel or rabbit or deer.
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i actually sort of like DBs idea.. the fact is i CAN make gas seal brass from 223, the second cheapest brass on the planet and the case extending over the bullet means i can seat a buckshot ball flush without sacrificing case capacity, it surpasses .32acp and .380, though just slightly so it could take a deer with a close range head shot, fixed barrel and fixed sights should be able to hit a rabbit, i can swap in a .32H&R cylinder (the maximum the frame can withstand) and with that im scraping the bottom end of a 9mm with a 100 grain ball at 1200fps.. with dirt cheap 223 brass and a buckshot ball i could probably get that down close to 22lr in ammo costs

i am liking the idea of the two-piece chamber adapters for 22lr, the ones i showed above you can eject and go back to 5.56 in a second, but the M1895 as cheap as they are would be something i could keep in a glove box or trunk if i had nothing else on me at the time
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i actually sort of like DBs idea.. the fact is i CAN make gas seal brass from 223, the second cheapest brass on the planet and the case extending over the bullet means i can seat a buckshot ball flush without sacrificing case capacity, it surpasses .32acp and .380, though just slightly so it could take a deer with a close range head shot, fixed barrel and fixed sights should be able to hit a rabbit, i can swap in a .32H&R cylinder (the maximum the frame can withstand) and with that im scraping the bottom end of a 9mm with a 100 grain ball at 1200fps.. with dirt cheap 223 brass and a buckshot ball i could probably get that down close to 22lr in ammo costs

i am liking the idea of the two-piece chamber adapters for 22lr, the ones i showed above you can eject and go back to 5.56 in a second, but the M1895 as cheap as they are would be something i could keep in a glove box or trunk if i had nothing else on me at the time
That's pretty much how I do it. Other than I don't make brass for it and I've had it for a decade now. I rabbit hunt on purpose with it on them snow covered sunny days with the sun to my back. Them rabbits come out to sit in the sun and it's hard for them to see you, easy for me to see them. 32 S&W long case and a 98 grain LRN at about 775 fps has taken more rabbits than I can remember. Very accurate from the Nagant cylinder. Extremely quiet too. On a windy day in the woods you won't hear it at all past 100 yards.

I prefer the 85 grain XTP. Fast, accurate and it will easily take a deer if you know what you're doing, just like any other caliber or weapon combo. The gun easily handles 32 mag level loads and I have a stack of 108 ball and a pile of the 85 grain ball that steps out just under 7.62 tokarev speeds. Both are great surplus loads.
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hmm, brass for the gas seal is $38/100, but its not like i need to stockpile 5,000 rounds of the stuff, 100 pieces of brass is more than id need if it and a few boxes were going to be something to keep in a BOB or glove box

the problem with 32 cal though is finding a good method of delivery, nobody really makes a target piston in this caliber anymore and VZ61s are a bit too rare and out of the price range for something to leave in a BOB or glove box so in that sense the nagant is the more workable solution without doing a number of modifications to a beretta model 70, or scaling down a mac-11 into a cheaper version of the vz61

then i may just stick with my makarov for pre-shtf EDC, and use the money to get a better 9mm for everything in between
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so it appears the forming process of converting 5.56 brass to 7.62x38mmR is a bit simpler and more straightforward than i thought, and since im going back to 5.56 this means im going to have a supply of damaged brass with dents, case mouth tears, etc that i can anneal and form into nagant gas seal for small game.. meaning the brass is free, if i make up a load around about 2 grains of bullseye and a buckshot ball seated to a pre-determined depth to get the 11000 PSI or so pressure for the round i'll be looking at spending a total of about 6 cents per cartridge and getting greater than .32acp performance, with a fixed barrel, longer sight radius, and something that works on an inexpensive, workhorse action that will require no further modifications to do what i need
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I knew this thread would eventually wind up with the Nagant Revolver being Justin's flavor of the day.

I was shooting mine a couple weeks ago. At $16 a box for commercial ammo - it's regulated to the oddity pile of my gun safe.

I have other calibers to reload for, not worth the effort for that gun.
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