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..........I've never yet seen or been involved in non-sport violence that wasn't ignoble, crazed and utterly dirty and demeaning to human decency.
Yet honorable men have fought for honorable purpose, despite the insult to the whole of humanity.
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Yet honorable men have fought for honorable purpose, despite the insult to the whole of humanity.
That goes without saying, Sock, but it has nothing to do with what I was referencing. Obviously two homeboys fighting over a slurpee on Worldstar isn't the same as Athenians defending their nation at Marathon.

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Some of the 'Felony Fights' series are disturbing, such as:

- The skinny guy who received the double knee drop, which left him wheezing and convulsing.

- The roided guy with the 'Tapout' tattoo on his stomach smashing the back of a tragically unprepared kid's head against concrete.

And several more.

Some of these 'World Star' fights exclaim the insanity of our collapsing civilization. Young feral punks absolutely losing it on each other and pile driving each other onto cement sidewalks or curb stomping.

I've never yet seen or been involved in non-sport violence that wasn't ignoble, crazed and utterly dirty and demeaning to human decency.
I don't find those Felony Fights that bad. It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure I've seen them all and have the full videos in my collection. Most were just sloppy streetfighters who usually stopped on their own after winning or gassing out quickly. No eye gouging or dirty nutshots if IIRC. I would consider a pile driver into the cement to be fair games in a street fight. A punch KO may do worse because they fall backwards usually, and the back of the head is much softer than the top for forehead when getting a pile driver.
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That goes without saying, Sock, but it has nothing to do with what I was referencing. Obviously two homeboys fighting over a slurpee on Worldstar isn't the same as Athenians defending their nation at Marathon.
That's a good comparative, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the combat of war.

I was thinking more of those men who, for example, choose to fend off the criminal elements from their neighborhoods, doing what the police are unable to do, and despite being called vigilantes by the ignorant lefties.
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Not to mention that they would just point and laugh.
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I just take my pants off. Nobody wants to fight a naked guy.
Not to mention that they would just point and laugh.
True, and it's very demoralizing, but it works.
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That's a good comparative, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the combat of war.

I was thinking more of those men who, for example, choose to fend off the criminal elements from their neighborhoods, doing what the police are unable to do, and despite being called vigilantes by the ignorant lefties.
I see, thank you for clarifying.
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I got to stay off these threads. The OP made about the best comment. Some of the others...omg. To correct some...

Punches do not always break your hands, punches are more effective than open hand strikes( otherwise the sport of boxing would have developed into slaps 100 years ago) most so called lethal techniques...aren't, 90% of dojo styles like karate, kungfu TKD don't work well in real life, boxing is much better than so called street fighting/fighting dirty, a good boxer will knock you out before you even get into your 'dirty mindset' because fighting dirty doesn't cover defense of punches incoming at 50mph, punching the throat is a dumb idea, its often protected by the persons chin, relying on eye strikes is like relying on headshots with guns when hunting or self defence-would be great if they always landed on target but they often don't, punches to the solar plexus require more power to effect, much harder to incapacitate someone or boxing would not be 999 head knockouts to one body shot knockout, learning to punch does not take years of training and strength training, it takes a couple of months and no strength training at all, ok I can't be bothered going through yet another page of it.

seriously guys, this is a survival board self defence forum. How can so many people have so little idea of actual fighting????????
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Everything I learned ,I learned from the west Virginia ninja. His youtube videos are no nonsense ,down and dirty real life defense tactics. I highly suggest you view at your on discretion as content is brutal
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In Russian and Japanese MMA you see palm strikes. The fact you don't see it in UFC doesn't mean it's not a good technique. Groin strikes, eye gouges, kicking someone in the head when they're down, head butting and biting are banned, not because they don't work but because they're "unsporting". What happens in MMA isn't what happens on the street, two equally matched fighters, no friends to jump in and help.

In UK law, slaps are deemed less of an offense than punching. That's why bouncers who have a mind of the law use them.
Nice try but
1.Groin strikes, biting, butting, eye gouges work because they involve tougher areas impacting much softer areas.

Open hand slaps are less effective then punches because they involve softer areas impacting harder areas generally.

2. Russian and japanese MMA use slaps, like a lot of semi-contact styles, to reduce head impact for sporting or legal reasons, not to increase it. Log onto the fight forums and ask any of them.

3. MMA fighters wipe out 99% of streetbrawlers and traditional martial artists as quickly on the street as they do in the ring. I was all of the above at different times. Traditional mumbo jumbo, 'lethal techniques', dirty fighting all have their merits, but none will save you from actual full contact fighters. None of these things actually teach you to block anything they can throw is the main problem..
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Sixtus speaks the truth.

https://youtu.be/DoHObOODz1s

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Sixtus speaks the truth.

https://youtu.be/DoHObOODz1s

No tricks here.

In another place where that video is posted, someone claims that this guy is an MMA fighter. Not sure if it's true.

I train my class for this using a plastic baseball bat. Wait for the swing, Muay Thai hop back and using the momentum and slight rear leg lunge to spring back right away to punch the face before the bat retracts (for another swing).

And I actually got this from Mayweather, he does this a lot in his fights.
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Something for the guys above who actually know their fighting.

1.In the 1700's/1800's boxing was a lot like todays MMA, throws, ground game, rounds were an actual knockdown. They over the decades took the grappling out because crowds prefer knockouts, gave fighters a rest every 3 minutes to keep them fresh. Hey presto boxing was born.

2.Then most people forgot how useful wrestling was and boxing dominated most people's idea of being able to handle yourself in the 20th century

3.Then Bruce Lee hit the big screen in the 60's and asian martial arts took off, everyone wanted to learn this cool stuff they saw on movies. Every green grocer with an asian surname came out of the woodwork to teach whatever rubbish people wanted.

4.The problem is Bruce knew the same thing early boxing promoters do. People want to see flashy striking, no grappling, submissions and messy all-in type crap. So that's what the movies showed and that's what we all learnt in dojos- stylised movie striking, (forgetting most of these traditional styles had significant grappling in their syllabus). In the 70's some of it smartened up to full contact styles by the kickboxing movement( who also discovered and got their butts severely kicked by muay thai fighters around 1980)

5.Then the UFC came along in 1993 and the whole world realised they had forgotten their grappling, since grapplers won every fight without even getting hit....

6.Then the martial artists either went two ways. They either learnt their grappling( which for the record was always in old style boxing, and old style martial arts anyway as mentioned) and became todays modern MMA fighters.

Or they receeded back to mumbo jumbo dojo styles teaching stylised rubbish to suburbanites for cash telling themselves they were teaching " the real ancient lethal martial arts etc" whereas MMA was 'just a sport'.

The funniest things for me are the following.

1. In the old days all these styles , including boxing, probably looked very similar. Straight punches, hard kicks, takedowns, and ground game and some additional dirty tactics. Human's always find the best way to do something if they do enough of it. I don't think you would find much stylistic difference between a bareknuckle boxer/wrestler of 1750, knight of 1500, 1700's Shaolin monk, Japanese Samurai or modern MMA fighter in hand to hand combat.

2. MMA/UFC people are a little stupid themselves thinking they have invented a new style. As above, its been around thousands of years. As recently as 150yrs in their own culture. They also don't realise it followed boxings evolution to a degree being shortly after its creation it instituted rounds( to give strikers a chance to get back to their feet) and standups if the action on the ground was too slow.

3. 95% of martial artists will never accept any of the above, and will never need to. Unlike those of us in martial occupations or who grew up in martial circumstances they will probably never get in a real fight anyway. Its bigger business for all the dojos to suburbanites a colored belt, give them a gentle workout, brainwash them they are learning some mystical shortcut to being a real fighter, than actually turning them into one.
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In another place where that video is posted, someone claims that this guy is an MMA fighter. Not sure if it's true.

I train my class for this using a plastic baseball bat. Wait for the swing, Muay Thai hop back and using the momentum and slight rear leg lunge to spring back right away to punch the face before the bat retracts (for another swing).

And I actually got this from Mayweather, he does this a lot in his fights.
Good footwork.
Hard accurate punch.
Muay clinch takedown.
Takes his back.
Gets his hooks in.
Rear naked choke for the win!

Classic MMA.
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