why does homeland security need mraps

[KCChimneyman]

Originally Posted by PrincessKraken

Without due process, it's murder of the citizenry.

All we have is Obama and Eric Holder's word that the 3 killed were enemies. No trial was ever held.

It's the reason Rand Paul made his Filibuster... or did you miss that?

So just because you want due process we need to have a trial before each bullet is fired by a soldier in a war? How ignorant is that.
We are at war with terrorist and have been since 2001

[KCChimneyman]

Originally Posted by MS45

That's fine, the world needs statists too.

I think that is the case, during war time. Have we declared war?

Well, as long as you thought so then I'm sure it's fine. That is after all how Due Process works? I think you're a terrorist, therefore you are, have a nice afterlife.

Yes we have a declared war against terrorists that has been ongoing since Sept 11, 2001. It has been a mission of the CIA, the FBI and the military to hunt down and destroy any terrorist cells. If we allow the leader to go free we will have another 9/11 sooner not later.

[PrincessKraken]

Originally Posted by KCChimneyman

So just because you want due process we need to have a trial before each bullet is fired by a soldier in a war?

No.

How ignorant is that.

Did you read what you typed? Because I'm not sure you did.

We are at war with terrorist and have been since 2001

American Citizens are afforded due process.

Or have you not read that you're a terrorist?

Have you paid attention to what DHS has put out about people who own guns, who prep food, who think themselves survivalists?


You, to the US Government, are a possible terrorist.

You are saying that it's OK for the same government to kill American Citizens it deems terrorists to murder them without due process.

You should line up first.


If you aren't willing to give up your own rights, do not give up mine.

[Ankylus]

Originally Posted by KCChimneyman

So just because you want due process we need to have a trial before each bullet is fired by a soldier in a war? How ignorant is that.
We are at war with terrorist and have been since 2001

It's not just a function of what the soldier is doing, it's also a question of what his target is doing. If the US citizen target is shooting at the soldier, his due process is a shot right back at him. Nobody is claiming that elaborate notions of due process apply on the battlefield in the heat of battle.

But, if the US citizen target is just sitting in a sidewalk cafe in a country in which we don't even have Congressional approval to be warring in and around other who aren't enemy combatants, the due process demands a bit more.

Al Alwaki (or whatever his name was) was sitting in a sidewalk cafe in Yemen and Obama had his minions take him out with a drone strike. While there evidence that he was an enemy combatant in a technical sense, there is no evidence he ever took up arms against the US. That is murder.

To make the point again, what if Obama and his minions (or, again, if you are a liberal, Bush/Rove/Cheney) decides anyone who refuses to give up their guns is an enemy combatant. They just get to assasinate them?

People really need to think this through a bit more.

[rrc]

I think a lot of the people commenting on this thread need to read 1984, the (ab)use of perpetual war, fear, newspeak ("patriot act" anyone?) and so on...

[MS45]

Yes we have a declared war against terrorists that has been ongoing since Sept 11, 2001.

We have an authorized use of military force, not a declaration of war.

So just because you want due process we need to have a trial before each bullet is fired by a soldier in a war? How ignorant is that.

No. That is an absurd parallel to draw. I also do not believe that cops should get shot instead of defending themselves or the public. Those processes are built into the COTUS, see "public danger", I believe that it's outlined in the 5th Amendment.

If you aren't willing to give up your own rights, do not give up mine.

Agreed. You might be fine consenting to the government and giving them the ability to by pass Due Process, but many of us are not. In fact, it's the very first part of our Oaths.

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[Tsndesertrat]

They are here to protect us, but who is here to protect us from them?

[escape]

Originally Posted by Tsndesertrat

They are here to protect us, but who is here to protect us from them?

[Survivalguy72]

Originally Posted by KCChimneyman

Maybe they will begin to do their job and start closing the border

Then they better buy more.

[three_dogs]

They bought them for one reason, Intimidation of the public.

[Wallrat]

Originally Posted by n1oc

but thank you. if you divide the ammo up for all the agencies and personnel you'll find that its's not too nuts also. i think this thread was to poke fun at the government. have fun.

Ok, lets do the math; 2 billion rounds divided by 230 million Americans........umm, thassabout 7+ rounds per person. I understand your point, all the agencies, by five years, that's only 400,000,000 rounds a year. No biggie. (!) One thing, in a war theatre the Military is prohibited from using HP ammo. Geneva Convention...so why are they getting it for HS? You can't cap an Ethopian with it, but someone from Wisconsin?

[n1oc]

Originally Posted by Wallrat

Ok, lets do the math; 2 billion rounds divided by 230 million Americans........umm, thassabout 7+ rounds per person. I understand your point, all the agencies, by five years, that's only 400,000,000 rounds a year. No biggie. (!) One thing, in a war theatre the Military is prohibited from using HP ammo. Geneva Convention...so why are they getting it for HS? You can't cap an Ethopian with it, but someone from Wisconsin?

you work the numbers. i can't anymore. fed agencies/ everybody now a days even the guy that counts the hairs on some endangered species gets a pistol; ammo is provided by uncle sugar. (duty ammo), (practice ammo), (qualification ammo). (a lot of fed.s) times X number of years (five, your number). plus what they set aside for rainy days. it all adds up. excuse me my tin foil hat needs adjusting. be safe.

PS. if you can figure out how many fed.s are issued weapons that would be cool. my head blows up when i get passed my fingers and toes.