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Should "under God" be kept in the pledge?

  • Yes, keep it

    Votes: 601 76.3%
  • No, take it out

    Votes: 155 19.7%
  • Undecided, indifferent, or don't want to say

    Votes: 32 4.1%

Should we keep "under god" in the pledge?

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101K views 740 replies 146 participants last post by  NorthWolfeCND 
#1 ·
Should we? Either side could be argued. It offends athiests and it was added in the fifties, so it really isn't that historical, so I don't see why it is still in. Can someone give me some points for the other side, too?

(I don't want to shove any of my ideas down anybody's throats, sorry if it sort of seems I am).
 
#622 ·
As a socialist, secular humanist pledge of deference to the primary rights of the state over the individual? No, thanks.

The real question is not whether to keep the words "under God," but whether to keep the pledge in the first place. The words "under God" are just a window dressing designed to make the reprehensible more palatable.
 
#627 ·
Not uncommon to screw up and then have the drill instructor tell you what you did wrong (as an individual or squad - no difference) and tell you how to do it correctly. He would then proceed to explain why he cannot take any action for 30 minutes after chow.

He then instructs you to stand at parade rest (because ceremony rest is to complicated for recruits) and pray to what ever deity you gosh scumbags (cannot swear any more) hold holy for the next 25 minutes. . . . .

. . . . . because after that your ******* ass is his (sometimes they still do slip in a swear word).

I’ll agree that god in the pledge can be lower case or god/gods via the (s) is fine. I further maintain my right to believe that all the (s) will burn in hell (or Detroit depending on your religion) and that you have the right to choose to burn in Detroit, or L.A., Tin-Buck-Two, or Kalamazoo (if there is one).

But only 1% of the most honorable americans know what I’m talking about first hand.

God(s) bless America. (Give me a break - it was at the beginning of a sentence this time.) For the rest of you, may Jesus have mercy on your soul.
 
#631 ·
If they don't like it... They can Move to a county that doesn't have hundreds of years in tradition of it being in their pledge. Why doesn't anyone worry about offending me? lol
 
#635 ·
I've seen it said that people don't have a problem with it being on money, so why do they care about it being in our pledge? First off, the pledge is a silly idea to begin with. What, I have to repeat something over and over again to make me feel like I'm apart of my country? Yeah, that makes total sense, and for the record, I do have a problem with it being on our money as well, it shouldn't be there, we have something that a lot of people refuse to really acknowledge when it comes to how the U.S should run its country, and that is the separation of church and state.

However, the argument that it shouldn't be in there because it wasn't in there to begin with doesn't hold too much water, because if we take that same line of thinking and use it with the U.S constitution, we can easily argue if black people should be treated equally to whites, should woman be allowed to vote, why should we? It wasn't there to begin with.

We shouldn't have a pledge to begin with, Teddy Roosevelt once said patriotism isn't supporting your government, it is standing by your country, and I don't need to talk to a flag to make me stand up for my country. Someone pointed who cares if people get offended, they don't have a right not to be. You are correct, however it isn't an argument with me of whether or not it is "offensive" it is whether or not it is needed, and the answer is no, it isn't needed. Just like ninety, faint "20"s aren't needed on my $20 bill to let me know it is in fact 20 dollars.

I don't think it should be on anything state supported, and why is that? It simply doesn't make sense. How can I say that? Let us dive just gently into the lake of thought on this one. "In God We Trust". Who is -we-? We would be everyone. As the constitution says: "We the people". "We" would include all people, rich, poor, black, white, christians, jews, and yes as horrible as it may sound, (gasp!) atheists. So how does it even make sense that "we" trust in God? We don't, some do. So is it going to say "In God Some Trust?" No, you can't really say that should be there, that makes no sense, because if you put that there, then you should almost have to put up "In McDonald's Most Eat" next to it, just because it's true, right? Yeah, it gets that silly.

Meanwhile, while we argue about this, there are more pressing issues to be solved, so I'll just call it one of the many things America has done in its long standing tradition of being against it's best interest and call it a day.
 
#642 ·
I wouldn't say any part of the Pledge Of Allegiance. The part that gets me is the most is "with LIBERTY and JUSTICE for ALL".... yeah, what "Liberty" and what "Justice".

"For ALL"..... no no no, it's only for SOME because America is a police state dictatorship. How bout if we pledge to the Patriot Act !!! yeah ! that would be more truthful. The GOD part doesn't bother me, it's the meaning of the reciting of the Pledge , today it's just an illusion for those that need that fake "feeling" of being free and patriotic.

I feel the same with the Star Spangled Banner, I've been to games and you should see the looks I've gotten when I don't stand nor open my mouth when others go along with that illusion too.

It won't be too much longer and everyone will be pledging a new allegiance to a one world govt.
 
#658 ·
I don't mind "under God." Its a bit of "civil religious" fluff and essentially harmless. The "under God" statement is unimportant to me as a Christian. It says nothing about any particular God, just some kind of vague deity. I worship the the Triune God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. A Muslim or Jew can recite the pledge right beside me, which makes the "under God" statement kinda useless because it can mean anything to anybody. From a religious standpoint "under God" is not really a confession of faith or declaration of the gospel.

As for the pledge itself, it was written by some Christian Socialist named Bellamy. I don't see why schoolchildren have to pledge thir loyalty to the government on a daily basis. Sure makes the government sound terribly insecure. If the republic was worth anything, folks would not need to make daily professions of loyalty.
 
#662 ·
American Citizens Need An American History Lesson

Leave it in. When you start fidddling around with our national roots, you are then on the slippery slope of 'A Living Constitution" and other bull sh...t like it. Our founding fathers meant what they wrote when they wrote it; not what some present day air head thinks he wants it to say. HB of CJ (old coot) (BA American History for what it is worth)
 
#663 ·
Leave it in. When you start fidddling around with our national roots, you are then on the slippery slope of 'A Living Constitution" and other bull sh...t like it. Our founding fathers meant what they wrote when they wrote it; not what some present day air head thinks he wants it to say. HB of CJ (old coot) (BA American History for what it is worth)
I agree about The Constitution. But "under God" wasn't added until 1954. I'm sure the pledge's author knew what he wanted it to say as well.
 
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