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youre sure as hell going to get it to you when youre limited to 250.. and whats the matter? never pushed your rifle to the limits to understand what it could do and improve upon your own skills?.. perhaps we should all live our lives by retarded internet myths... though, much like the AK in the video provided, i doubt youre going to hit much past 300 without optics either

whats funny is you fudds and your bolt action huntn' rifles have scopes zeroed in at the distances you plan to shoot.. what? did you think somebody shooting at 500 with an AK isnt going to have access to a scope as well?
Nevermind the fact that the 7.62 is a 400yd cartridge. Designed with the fact in mind that most combat engagement is 300yds or less. One video of a guy with custom loaded ammo in a custom built AK doesn't equal ****, it's less than ****.
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Nevermind the fact that the 7.62 is a 400yd cartridge. Designed with the fact in mind that most combat engagement is 300yds or less. One video of a guy with custom loaded ammo in a custom built AK doesn't equal ****, it's less than ****.
it was wolf.. but hey, maybe a vepr is too nice of a rifle (about to be banned anyway) and it had a scope.. i mean, its unfair for the AK to have a scope when your bolt actions do.. so here's the same 500 yards with a stamped AK and irons using the same cheap wolf ammo doing better than most people can with their ARs

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it was wolf.. but hey, maybe a vepr is too nice of a rifle (about to be banned anyway) and it had a scope.. i mean, its unfair for the AK to have a scope when your bolt actions do.. so here's the same 500 yards with a stamped AK and irons using the same cheap wolf ammo doing better than most people can with their ARs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qiq3szgZgjI
Not denying the guys can shoot. I won't believe that they are using a off the shelf AK.

Marines do it every day. With irons. With the AR, I did.

But you keep thinking cause someone on YouTube did it you can. I've seen people hitting at 1000yds with the AR, with irons, I don't claim to be able to. Seen some claim with a off the shelf gun don't buy it from them either.
A reddot is not a scope.

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your assumption that AKs are these inaccurate weapons barely held together with their loose fitting parts slapped around cobbled together by children in some poor dirty sweat shop is the epitome of idiocy.. shooting at distance with an AK, especially if you know how to properly zero one and utilize your rear sight or practice your holdovers is not even remotely far fetched or bordering on the impossible as some would believe

my 7.62 AK gets 2" groups at 100 with $0.24/rd ammo, thats still an upper chest shot at 500 and all i have to do is have the proper zero, or know the holdovers to use at that distance.. you should try getting off your ass with one sometime and actually put some effort into it, you may be surprised what you can do with that oh so inferior AK
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your assumption that AKs are these inaccurate weapons barely held together with their loose fitting parts slapped around cobbled together by children in some poor dirty sweat shop is the epitome of idiocy.. shooting at distance with an AK, especially if you know how to properly zero one and utilize your rear sight or practice your holdovers is not even remotely far fetched or bordering on the impossible as some would believe

my 7.62 AK gets 2" groups at 100 with $0.24/rd ammo, thats still an upper chest shot at 500 and all i have to do is have the proper zero, or know the holdovers to use at that distance.. you should try getting off your ass with one sometime and actually put some effort into it, you may be surprised what you can do with that oh so inferior AK
Never said any of that about the ak. It's a good rifle when used in it's lane. Your words not mine above. That's idiocy.

You compound your idiocity in your next paragraph. 2" groups at 100yds equals exactly **** at 500yds.

From a hunting perspective. ANY rifle.
To be considered accurate a rifle should hold a 1" or less group at 100yds to be used to 300+ yards.
Inaccurate starts after 1"
1.5” at 100 yards is unsuitable for 300 yards.
2-3” at 100 yards is unsuitable at 200 yards and beyond.
Once you get off the range and your comfy bench with a sandbag your 2" is probably 2.5-3".
Once you're firing off hand or from cover in a modified position your 2" is gone.

I have a SKS great rifle lousy caliber but I wouldn't be handicapped as long as I realistically use it. It looks more fudd than a AR and I'm coming to the conclusion that I may just make it my grab and go gun, jury is still out on it.
I've shot AK's just don't like the ergos so I never had the desire to own one.
From a accuracy standpoint the AK is as you put it " oh so inferior." Including the one you boast gets 2" at 100yds.
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aah here we go with the sub MOA elitist nonsense as well, your off the shelf AR-15s aint even going to do 1 MOA without much more expensive match ammo and most of you couldnt even hit a man sized target at 500 with optics if he was standing still

you dont need a sub MOA rifle for hunting at 250, and you sure as hell dont need one to hit man sized targets at 500.. the military sure as hell arent using sub MOA or even MOA rifles either
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aah here we go with the sub MOA elitist nonsense as well, your off the shelf AR-15s aint even going to do 1 MOA without much more expensive match ammo and most of you couldnt even hit a man sized target at 500 with optics if he was standing still

you dont need a sub MOA rifle for hunting at 250, and you sure as hell dont need one to hit man sized targets at 500.. the military sure as hell arent using sub MOA or even MOA rifles either
Yet I'm not making claims about my AR's accuracy.
At 500 yards I can put 10 out of 10 rounds in a man size target, with my AR, with iron sights. It started with my crappy issued M16A2 using crappy military rounds (M855 at the time.) You know nothing about what many of us here have done so don't make assumptions.
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Yet I'm not making claims about my AR's accuracy.
At 500 yards I can put 10 out of 10 rounds in a man size target, with my AR, with iron sights. It started with my crappy issued M16A2 using crappy military rounds (M855 at the time.) You know nothing about what many of us here have done so don't make assumptions.
i know all i need to know when you say you need a sub MOA rifle to hunt with at 250, the heart and lungs on a deer are not that hard of a target to hit at that distance and id settle for shooting it in the head or neck if it got me food
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I read that some trashed a bolt action.... Well, I am a bolt action aficionado ......


But....you point is well taken.


I would have never allowed a semi-auto to find any place in my stash.....but then I purchased a 7.62x39 AR-Mutant.... Holy cow that gun is awesome.

So, if I could only have one gun, I think I would have to go with an AR10, .308. But would want a 20" barrel and a nice optic....along with a laser.

This gun would be hard to beat.....for only owning one gun.


Although....my 7.62 Mutant is just an awesome gun!!!! ....and I saw a 1,000 rounds for $180 recently.


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i know all i need to know when you say you need a sub MOA rifle to hunt with at 250, the heart and lungs on a deer are not that hard of a target to hit at that distance and id settle for shooting it in the head or neck if it got me food
This is pointless. You are not going to listen and then double down on stupid.

You are so smart to figure out that if you can't hit the large chest cavity of a deer go for the smaller head shot.

I have derailed enough I'm out have fun.
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This is why I don't shoot deer at 500 yds with my Ruger Mini-30.
Muzzle velocity is too slow and bullet is not streamlined
Excessive drop from a 300 yd zero
Limited Impact energy
Excessive Wind drift


Data for 7.62 x 39
The velocity of my Winchester 123 grain PSP handload is 2400 f/s, and drops to around 1,160 f/s by the time it travels 500 yds.
My Ruger Mini-30 averages 1.75" groups at 100 yds, but the last group was 1.25".

Trajectory is a -67" at 500 yds from a 300 yd zero.
Time of flight is .85 second to 500 yds (1,500 ft).
The impact energy is 368 ft-lbs.
The bullet will be pushed 52" by a 10 mph cross wind.

The 7.62 x 39 is a 250 yd cartridge, period

Data for 25-06
This is used Ruger 77 I bought at a swap meet for $300. Some folks here like to call them Fudd Guns.
The muzzle velocity of my Nosler 100 grain Ballistic tip handloads is 3300f/s at muzzle and 2150 f/s at 500 yds.
This gun averages 5/8" groups and every load combination was better than 1 MOA.

Trajectory is a -24" at 500 yds from a 300 yd zero.
Time of flight is 0.55 second to 500 yds (1,500 ft).
Impact energy is 1024 ft-lbs.
The bullet will be pushed 19" by a 10 mph cross wind.

Data for 7mm STW
This is a long range precision rifle I built on a Sako 691 action for approx $1200. Muzzle velocity of the 7mm 168 grain Sierra match king is 3450 f/s. Velocity at 500 yds is 2477 f/s. I shot a 1-5/8" group at 300 yds the last time I had it out.

Trajectory is a -19.8" at 500 yds from a 300 yd zero.
Time of flight is 0.50 second to 500 yds (1,500 ft).
Impact energy is 2289 ft-lbs.
The bullet will be pushed 14" by a 10 mph cross wind

Elmer Fudd has all the ballistic advantages at long range.

Check it out for yourself, http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-re...ics-calculator
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Just get a mauser model 93 or 95 in 7mm mauser. It will do all you need for hunting. It has all over the world for well over 100 years. Rock solid mauser action.
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The 7.62 x 39 is a 250 yd cartridge, period

Yep you are right.... and only a trained bow hunter could really appreciate having 250 yards to play with!!!!!

Good thing I am a bow hunter.


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