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I made my own center fire loads using 40gr moly bullets and 2.6 grains of Unique pistol powder. They won't even try to cycle the action but that is not an issue to me, I just use them like I would a bolt action.
That same weight bullet with 6.0 grains of Red Dot makes a dandy duplicate for the .22 Rimfire Magnum. In my Stevens 200 I zero it at 80 yards, and it shoots to the same sight settings as my 55 grain coyote load zeroed at 150. (I'm in Ohio hill country - longer shots never happen here.) The 6 grain load is sure death on chucks and raccoons in the garden and a little beyond, without the noise of the full house load. If for some reason I had to cut down to just the Stevens, I'd add a 56 grain cast bullet load with about 2.5 grains of Red Dot. 56 grains because I have the mould, and such a light load in that "big" case needs the weight to get a decently consistent burn. Quidkload calculates velocity at 1140 fps. (Should add that my barrel is bobbed to 16.5".)
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so youre going to fumble around in your bag for the right magazine you have loaded with subsonics, thread on a suppressor and then shoot it instead of pulling out a handgun, already loaded with subsonics, already fitted with a suppressor?.. and if its a 9mm you have suppressed, no need to stop at squirrels, if you see a deer you want you can drop it instead

carry an integrally suppress 22-45 if youre concerned about silently bagging squirrels
No, you partially drop the mag in the rifle, eject the round in the chamber, slip the subsonic round through the port and close the bolt. 'Course if you were carrying a man's hunting rifle - a Springfield or a Krag - you'd just flip the mag cutoff to single load.
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Blackout definitely is not meant for someone that doesn't reload. If you do reload, it's a great cartridge. Finding brass at the range is a breeze, there are infinite .30 bullets around, and it uses much less powder than other rifle rounds. Getting over 400 rounds per pound of powder has its advantages. Being able to cast and shoot subsonic is a major advantage as well. These are things a prepper should look at. (Stretching your supplies out)

The round doesn't fit every category though. It's not a long distance round at all. I'd you don't reload, it's not worth it. If you can't suppress it, I wouldn't have it. But I reload and have cans, so it's worth it to me. I have no issue hunting with my 10in, suppressed, SBR. The deer I've shot don't complain. I hunt in heavy wooded areas where the longest shot is maybe 100yds.

If I lived out in the Midwest with lots of open flat land, I wouldn't buy one. In central KY, it fits my needs.
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i would only consider a 300BLK if I were using the full-power loads. suppressed it doesn't impress me.
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i would only consider a 300BLK if I were using the full-power loads. suppressed it doesn't impress me.
Suppressed full power loads will also impress.
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Where do you find your subsonic 5.56? I have hand loaded my own but have never seen any on the shelf.
beckammunition.com

P.S. - I have very little 5.56, I mostly have .308 for for a bolt gun.

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We have .30-30, .270 scoped, and several semi-auto 7.62x39mm as well as a couple of .22 rim fire for hunting.

Of all that we have read about the Blackout cartridge, we have decided it has no place in our "arsenal".
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Suppressed full power loads will also impress.
sure. i guess i meant downloaded rounds meant for semi-quiet suppressed. full power suppressed rounds will definitely impress as much as if they hadn't been suppressed, actually a little more.
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We have .30-30, .270 scoped, and several semi-auto 7.62x39mm as well as a couple of .22 rim fire for hunting.

Of all that we have read about the Blackout cartridge, we have decided it has no place in our "arsenal".
as I see it, it tries to answer a very specific problem that most people won't have. but that doesn't make it bad - it will probably be as effective as an AK at roughly the same ranges, and it lets you use the AR platform for that. you'll want to reload your own though, otherwise you pay extra for that ammo
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as I see it, it tries to answer a very specific problem that most people won't have. but that doesn't make it bad - it will probably be as effective as an AK at roughly the same ranges, and it lets you use the AR platform for that. you'll want to reload your own though, otherwise you pay extra for that ammo
it might be on par with some of the more anemic foreign ammo like tula, but its about 100fps shy of full power 7.62x39 in equal barrels.. what makes it entirely useless to anyone who has a 7.62x39 rifle is the fact that the 125 grain bullets you need for it (150s take up way too much case), easily cost more than an entire loaded 7.62x39 cartridge
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it might be on par with some of the more anemic foreign ammo like tula, but its about 100fps shy of full power 7.62x39 in equal barrels.. what makes it entirely useless to anyone who has a 7.62x39 rifle is the fact that the 125 grain bullets you need for it (150s take up way too much case), easily cost more than an entire loaded 7.62x39 cartridge
yeah i once bought a 300BLK upper on a whim and then sold it once I realized what I was in for ammo-wise. for me, money is always an issue
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yeah i once bought a 300BLK upper on a whim and then sold it once I realized what I was in for ammo-wise. for me, money is always an issue
it should always be an issue especially for ammo, sure someone can brag that they can afford 5,000 rounds of 308, but i can get 10,000 rounds of 7.62x39 for the same price.. id rather have 10k than 5k for the same amount of money.. of course, im giving up 7.62x39 as my main caliber as well
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yeah i once bought a 300BLK upper on a whim and then sold it once I realized what I was in for ammo-wise. for me, money is always an issue
Blackout is a reloaders cartridge. Paying .60 for junk and $1 for decent/good ammo is ridiculous. You can load it top quality yourself for .30ish cents. I wouldn't own Blackout either if I didn't reload.

I also wouldn't have a .450 Bushmaster, 300wsm, 10mm or any other non-NATO round if a I didn't reload. I could afford to stock those if I wanted to, I'm just a tightwad.
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All centerfire cartridges are reloaders' cartridges.
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All centerfire cartridges are reloaders' cartridges.
ok then, reload 5.45x39.. also, it costs more for bullets to reload 7.62x39 than it costs to buy entire loaded cartridges, neither of these are "reloaders cartridges"
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All centerfire cartridges are reloaders' cartridges.
For the most part I agree, however when it comes to imported ammunition of the steel case variety, it's a wash. It's the exception to the rule that says reloading is more cost effective. As for myself...I'd rather not be dependent on combloc imports for my ammo needs. That said I do have some laying around, it's not my favorite ammo by any stretch of imagination, yet it serves a purpose.
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Sometimes we can't even trust what should be absolutely trustworthy.

http://gunlore.awardspace.info/rifle.../ChinaLC52.htm

Corrosive .30 Carbine ammo from the Philippines has been observed as well.

Back in the old days when surplus ammo was all over the place, we tested for corrosive priming by pulling a bullet, dumping the powder, then firing the primed case at a Gillette Blue Blade. After leaving the blade in a damp place overnight,
we'd check the blade for rust. A rusty blade indicated corrosive priming.
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