Both will knock down meth-heads with equal efficiency, both are extremely reliable. The 870 has a smoother action and will be a little more "jury friendly" than a Military Issued shotgun, in-case you're worried about that sort of thing.
The statement about jury frinedly is false.... The miltiarty issues Primarily The Rem 870 MCS (modular combat shotgun) They have an M16 style stock. They can also be mounted under the m16/m4. Both can be found in the local bases armoury.
ergonomic's (spelled wrong im sure) in my opinion are better on the 500/590, with the slide release being able to push with my thumb vrs the fore finger (small hands) and, the 500/590 has a better extraction system (2x extractors and a spring V 1 extractor and a spring) but, the 870 is a bit smoother out of the box while the 500 only gets better the more you shoot it!!!!
just an turkish 870 clone, sooooo, your post is worth??????
Not that im a shotgun snob. there are alot of good 870 clone for cheap (IAC/norinco hawk-charles daley) and many parts are swap-able (new word, all mine) if your going buget HD, ok, i can see it, but id rather go name brand for peace of mind... in that price rance 500/590's, 870's are great, and i wont own anything less.
Neither. Get a pistol and learn to use it. A sidearm is much much faster to operate than a pump shotgun(pump shotguns simply are not fighting arms - regardless of what hollywood thinks).
If you are not sure what a fighting arm is, look at what the police and armies of the world use. Too many folks buy a shotgun thinking practice/training is not needed b/c the spray of lead will take care of the threat. In a real world CQB (up close) confrontation, a skilled/trained handgunner can literally take the shotgun "from the cold dead hands" of the untrained.
Neither. Get a pistol and learn to use it. A sidearm is much much faster to operate than a pump shotgun(pump shotguns simply are not fighting arms - regardless of what hollywood thinks).
SeekHer:
"In the courses I and friends have attended from various instructors and schools they all claim that the handgun is a marginal SD weapon at best (unless that is all you have) and always a transitional weapon until you can get to your longgun which inside a building is a shotgun and outside a carbine...Don't believe me, read Gabe Suarez, Massad Ayoob, Clint Smith, John Farnham, Chuck Taylor, Tiger McKee etc..."
Two thumbs up.
I wouldn't want to have ducked lead from a 1918 shotgun but the modern crop of fighting shotguns and the current generation of ammunition have made the shotgun significantly more capable even.
As to which one for HD now, i would have to say Remington 870. I have had extensive with that model and trust it completely. Having said that if I got a Browning BPS or a Mossbery 590 in a Xmas stocking I wouldn't send them back.
I would get the 590A1 w/ Ghost Ring sights, a side saddle and Surefire forend. This combo will be at least $250 cheaper than the same thing in a Remington Police Magnum which is their comparable model.
If you prefer a pistol grip, then get the Remington as the safety placement is much more friendly than the Mossberg.
Load it with birdshot or light buckshot and keep slugs in the sidesaddle.
HAHAHA what a joke! Tacti-cool double barrel? Next, someone will make a single shot rifle with a bayonet or a .22lr version of an AR-15 for those who want to look like they have a fighting carbine without all the heavy recoil of a .223. I swear this country is becoming dumber by the day.
600 yards is asking alot of a shot gun..Now if it were about 600 feet the Saiga 12 gauge with 12 round mags or 20 round drum and good barricade penetrating slugs might help you out..... www.saiga-12.com
Got to agree with the poster that said "tomatoe... tomahtoe"
Play with each at the store and see which one you prefer. The remington safety is easier to work if you have a pistol grip, the mossberg easier with a hunting stock for most people. Other than that, it's pretty much a push. Both are great guns.
Personally, I went with the mossberg, but opted for the bead sight. I found myself "hunting" for the sight picture with the ghost rings too much at the range. Inside a home, I'd probably have the gun tucked under my armpit and just indexed on a target firing and working the action as fast as I could.
Personally, I'm partial to the Mossberg. I never thought I would say. However, it is true. I'm a left handed shooter and the position of the safety on the Mossberg works better for me. I have found the quality of Mossbergs to be very good. I have never needed their customer service department, but I hear that they are very quick to make repairs and try to keep their customers happy. That means a lot to me. Some of the Mossbergs cost a little less than the 870's, but that is beside the point. When shopping for a defensive shotgun, I wouldn't let the fact that one was a little bit cheaper persuade me to purchase it. Despite what I have said, I will not deny for one second, that Remington's 870 is a well made, tried and proven shotgun. Shoot both and make up your mind, what is best for YOU.
Remington 870 over a Mossberg. Mossbergs break down more than 870s do. That's why more police agencies use 870s over Mossbergs.
Ithaca = slam fire mistakes. Hate Ithacas. Ithacas have a disconnect device that will occasionally get locked down so when you run a shotgun shell into the chamber you have an instant boom. Just a little dirt in the wrong spot on an Ithaca and you're paying for damage you didn't want.
Mossberg over Remington all day long. Remingtons break down more than Mossies. That's why more military *USE* Mossbergs over Remingtons that get carried and seldom used.
You being such an "expert", Jeff, what part of a simple double barrel with mountable rails gets your panties in such an uproar? The rail? The black plastic stock? What? Tell us know-nothings, oh wise one!
You being such an "expert", Jeff, what part of a simple double barrel with mountable rails gets your panties in such an uproar? The rail? The black plastic stock? What? Tell us know-nothings, oh wise one!
Because it's like mounting futuristic laser guided weapons onto a horse and buggy. And, it looks like ass.
To be fair, it wouldn't be as laughable if they hadn't put those very large lights and red dot scopes on it when the marketing pictures were taken. Combine that with the old timey lines that are identical to the antique coach guns and it looks like a joke, something a clown would be expected to wield at a circus.
Ahhh, got ya! So I guess I need to go and jerk the light off my Norinco before anyone sees it. It "looks stupid" and it's better to be armed with a gun that doesn't work in the dark than to offend the senses of the aestheticism folks! Thanks, bud! You really opened my eyes there!
I actually kinda like the idea of a small double barrel and a light, but don't expect people not to make fun of the setup that they took a picture of. However, it is in fact kind of silly to get all tacticool while limiting yourself to only 2 shots when for not much more you can get 3-4 times that, being just as fast, and almost as short. And, well, quite honestly a big-ass red dot scope on a small short range open cylinder shotgun is just laughable, regardless of what it "looks" like. Totally unnecessary and obviously a ploy to appeal to mall ninja idiots. It would be more functional and much less laughable and mall-ninjish if they had just stuck with the light. That big-ass scope is just friggin silly, and that goes beyond aesthetics.
That's a pretty decent little gun, Badger. I've always liked Stoegers. I picked up one of their Condor Outbacks that first year they came out (2002 or 2003? can't recall.) and parked it in a behind the seat canvas scabbard in my, well, my Outback. Never owned their coach gun, though, but have shot one a few times. I picked up a Norinco when they started the coach gun craze and theirs was the only thing out there. Before that, I was cutting my own guns down. I'd have no prob picking that one up if I was in the market for a new one, though.
Hey, welcome to the forum, sir! Always good to see new faces!
I have a winchester 1200 with a knoxx collapsible m4 style stock as well as an old Mossberg 500 in 16 ga with a pistol grip as these are what I have the most knowledge about these are all I can atest to, I don't like semi-auto shotguns, just personal preferance. The 870 would probably be a good idea as well there's a reason there's so many of them. just my $.02
I have some old Rossi Coach Guns that I had a saddlemaker produce some barrel shrouds/guards for...this is so that you won't burn your hands on the hot barrels...had him add a piece of leather to the bottom so that a small torch (flashlight) can be slipped in and used with either a remote clip or just by turning the knob...works great...
The flashlight would go on where that little V area is on this model by Galco Leather...It works well as the barrels are only 20" long and stick out just a little bit past the leather...A little farther back then the one pictured in the thread above...
We also had one the fit on the bottom of the butt sleeve for extra ammo and recoil pad, that was below your hands but it was too far below line of sight to be effective...
Mossberg for the layout of controls, no fiddling or reaching or switching hands to access anything. 870 if the above access doesn't matter to you, and the 870 for hunting...can't access the slide release lever in a hurry if you were to need to, no biggy, get the birds next time.
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