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Even if he fails because of the attacks from the left, he still fails. What we will never know is whether the left would have responded the same way to Cruz or if Cruz would be better able to stand up to the onslaught and put an end to it. I'm pretty sure Cruz wouldn't have been tweeting.

If we didn't count on the ability to lead, whether of their own doing or not, the Ron Paul would have been a great president. But Ron Paul was not a leader and never got close to being elected.

Trump may have said all the things many on the right wanted to hear but if he can't deliver, his own fault or not, then we've lost a great opportunity.
Keep in mind it was Trump's "stick in their face" attitude that got him elected in the first place. A large number of crossover or disengaged voters responded to him. Unlikely Cruz would have carried some states like PA. So the opportunity might not have been there for the others.
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Why would we take your word about Trump? We all know you're a drug addicted, armed robber, and car stealing, pornography making, money laundering, gun-running, felon. I saw a memo that said so.

Oh, wait? Just because I said I have a memo doesn't mean that such a memo actually exists? My claim of a memo doesn't make you all of that?

But, if Comey's memo exists then Comey needs to go to prison for not reporting a felony attempt at obstruction of justice. But, no worries, because Comey is safe to continue talking about Hillary's crimes. Comey has already testified under oath that no one has tried to stop him from performing any investigation without appropriate justification so there was nothing to report - and nothing to investigate.

You all need to quit making accusations and calling for impeachment until at least one, just one, piece of actual evidence with an actual name attached to it is made public.
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3 and 4. Learn how to insult with finesse, or not at all, and keep your emotions under control. You wouldn't want to be banned for life from this oh so intelligent and refined discussion and board, now would you?

As to your comments, I recall I heard the same from the Nixon and Clinton fanatics in their day. Legalistic hairsplitting (define "is"), or claims of Executive Privilege (I expect Trump to bring that up any day), or insistence that no evidence had been produced, or constant attempts to switch the focus, engage in character assassination, and accuse the accusers ("Monica Lewinsky was a slut! Serica was exceeding his authority! The Republicans / Democrats were running a witch-hunt!" I see Trump has already unleashed that one. What a pity he isn't black, or gay, or Jewish, he and his supporters could throw in the "bigotry and prejudice" claim too). Please accept the fact that you are no different than the snowflakes and deplorables of the past. You are not concerned with truth, only with winning. And you are willing to turn a blind eye to any flaws your Messiah may possess, or criminal actions he may have done, so you can keep boasting about what a winner you are for being a supporter of his. This isn't about facts, it's about belief and faux self-esteem. And that's why Trump supporters are so incensed over what should be a matter of great concern to all: A President possibly going over the line.

Once you do this, that can count as the beginning of wisdom.

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Yes you can be charged for killing someone even if you don't mean it, but you won't be charged with a criminal homicide. That's a huge difference. Surprised you didn't know that. When it comes to laying charges, criminal intent is always determined if possible. Could be the difference between life and death.

A secret server tells me she was trying not to let classified information out. Nothing wrong with that. She just messed it up.

The laws regarding handling of classified material do not include intent to harm as a requirement for prosecution, because when it comes to state secrets, accidents and carelessness are every bit as damaging as deliberate espionage. When Comey declined to recommend prosecuting Hillary based on lack of intent, he was absolutely ignoring the actual law.

And the secret server was clearly set up to avoid the normal archiving procedures for her department and evade oversight.
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If doing stupid things was criminal, Hillary and Donald would be in an even race.

Well maybe Donald ahead by a wisp of hair.
He was elected she wasn't, must have been that whimsical wisp of hair that put him over the finish line in first place.
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Obviously they were once interested in him. NOBODY gets selected, ahem elected, into office unless the corporate media acknowledges their existence and plasters them with free press/headlines. The corporate media blacks out third parties entirely. It's not even a question of being against them, they don't even exist.

Once you understand that, then you need to ask why they did this. They deliberately set him up to fail? They set the Republicrats up to fail? He's in WAY over his head? Or this is a deliberate circus, so nobody in DC has to work on or pass any legislation they've been crying about for the past 8 years?

Or, ding-ding-ding -- failing state?

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LOL That is quite and understated way to imply the media was ever loyal to him.

The unlimited air time you spoke of was only to bash him in the biggest media take down attempt in history. Saying they are turning on him, implies someone in the media (besides Fox and talk radio) is still loyal and has not yet fully turned on him since 'turning' is a process not yet complete. Please provide still loyal to Trump media. LOL
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He was elected she wasn't, must have been that whimsical wisp of hair that put him over the finish line in first place.
Yes, Trump won, but Clinton received more votes. More U.S. citizens voted for Clinton than for Trump.
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Yes, Trump won, but Clinton received more votes. More U.S. citizens voted for Clinton than for Trump.
You've simply pointed out that there is a valid reason for the electoral college.
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Yes, Trump won, but Clinton received more votes. More U.S. citizens voted for Clinton than for Trump.
I believe the "US citizen"part is still up for some debate....
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Actually no. Clinton wasn't found with doing anything criminal, she was just really stupid to use an unsecured email to pass along sensitive or classified material. It wasn't intentional. Stupid? Yes, very so.

Now if that in your opinion still warrants a criminal charge, than what charge should Trump get for INTENTIONALLY passing along classified information to Russia?
Which is criminal.
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Obviously they were once interested in him. NOBODY gets selected, ahem elected, into office unless the corporate media acknowledges their existence and plasters them with free press/headlines.
You are confusing the media benefiting from the ratings of covering his campaign with supporting his campaign.
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You are confusing the media benefiting from the ratings of covering his campaign with supporting his campaign.

Under the premise of "all exposure is good exposure" the media definitely helped him... backhandedly, but they helped him. At this point it's valid to be asking the question as to how deliberate that was. I have a hard time believing that the press as a whole was so clueless in boosting Trump via their hysterical trolling.
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Here is an idea of how the media is actually treating Trump...it's a Harvard study too...so the left should appreciate the source.
https://heatst.com/culture-wars/harv...mp-media-bias/
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so the left should appreciate the source.
Source matters not, if it goes against their narrative, it's corrupted in some way.
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What's the timeline for this? Since Trump took office? Obama took office? I don't care much for any of these media outlets, but I would bet that there have been wild swings as the political landscape changes.
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Actually no. Clinton wasn't found with doing anything criminal, she was just really stupid to use an unsecured email to pass along sensitive or classified material. It wasn't intentional. Stupid? Yes, very so.

Now if that in your opinion still warrants a criminal charge, than what charge should Trump get for INTENTIONALLY passing along classified information to Russia?
There's also a big difference in what the POTUS is allowed to pass along and what SoS is allowed to. You guys keep forgetting Hillary never made it to President and Trump did.

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What's the timeline for this? Since Trump took office? Obama took office? I don't care much for any of these media outlets, but I would bet that there have been wild swings as the political landscape changes.
They don't mention in the story the timeline, but they did add this for comparison.
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More fodder. It involves both Comey and the Russians. I noticed the sentences are structured in an interesting, possibly misleading manner..

https://www.yahoo.com/news/reports-t...195040125.html
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Coverage of President Trump is negative for the same reason most coverage of Irritable Bowel Syndrome is negative. There's not much good to say.

In President Trump's first minutes in office he delivered a dark and negative Inaugural address. Just quoting the President gave the coverage a negative tone. In the President's first week he blatantly lied about the crowd at the inauguration. Since then it's been failed legislation, lost court cases, contradictory statements about controversial actions and when it gets quiet for a day or two, President Trump uses Twitter to start a new scandal.

It's impossible to tell the truth about this President without a predominately negative tone. Listen to his own speeches and read his own tweets. They are about 90% negative, too.
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They may have a negative tone but that's because we live in a dark, negative nation thanks to the horrors forced upon us by progressives/liberals/etc. Hard to be all cheery when your handed a **** sandwich and have to eat it while the media keeps ramming a stick up your butt.


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