I just had an idea. I have not seen anybody else do it so idk if is illegal or impossible or just nobody thought of it. My idea is a 12ga "pistol" with a 12" rifled barrel which has very shallow rifling and a rediculously low twist rate like 1/5000 so it will fire buckshot without spinning it. If such a weapon were manufactured from scratch without an interchangeable barrel would it be considered a class III firearm or just a regular pistol?
Are you just trying to avoid the stamp? Because if not Serbu http://serbu.com/supershorty.html makes something small and people have been doing something similar with double and single break barrels for years.
I am very into personal liberty, I don't like anybody taxing and recording everything I do and I just like to get around every unjust law I can. I have seen bumpfire stocks (which preform like machineguns) and pistol braces (SBRs) but I have yet to see an exception to the SBS rule except in the Taurus Judge type pistols and they are wildly inaccurate with shotgun shells. So far I have not found any requirements other than that the barrel be rifled and it can't have a stock. So would a barrel with a twist rate of 1/5000 (for example) be considered rifled?
P.S. I am not actually hiding. I just got my name off a camo hoodie I own.
Assuming the low twist barrel is legit, you would have to build it with a virgin receiver from somewhere or make your own. Otherwise you have a "weapon made from a shotgun".
Right now it's just an idea. But the more I think about it the more I want to make it a reality. I know all of the firearms laws I need to make a 12ga pistol legally, the only thing I don't know is the BATF's definition of "rifled". I'm probably better off writing to them with this question.
you cant just put rifling in a barrel at whatever twist you want. there are strict formulas designed for this. whether its 1/5000 or 1/7 rifling, any rifling would make it a rifled barrel. 1/36 is about right for 12 gauge sabots.
which are you wanting as you have said both, a shotgun pistol or a short barreled shotgun ?
When I say 12ga pistol I mean a "pistol" which fires 12ga buckshot. I only call it a pistol because that is what it would be legally called but what I really want is a gun which preforms as close to a smooth bore SBS as a rifled barrel can be made to preform. The rifled barrel is not for slugs, it is to keep the firearm from being called an SBS by the ATF. So I basically want ineffective rifling that does almost nothing to spin projectiles and I can't find anything in the law that says that is illegal.
Ya I know that's what gave me the idea to try to make a pump action 12ga pistol. The problem I have with the judge and the governor is that it has a 5ft spread at 5-10 feet from the target with shotshells because it is rifled. I wanna do the same thing but with rifling that doesn't twist enough to effect the spread of buckshot.
I want to say Taurus tried to release a revolver that was chambered in 28 gauge only. There was some confusion as to whether or not atf would regulate it as a aow, it was suppose to be released in 2012 I think. not sure what ever happened.
The restriction is for pistols over .50" bore size. S&W did their .500 mag with a .500 groove size instead of the standard .512" groove because they were concerned that the ATF would "reinterpret" things. The Judge is way under .50 bore, and is really just a poor 45 Colt that just happens to fire .410 shotgun shells.
Once you get over .500" bore size in a pistol, it doesn't matter if it has rifling or not. It's still going to be an NFA item, probably as a "destructive device". if it were a long arm and chambered in a "sporting" cartridge like the .577 Nitro Express, no registration is required. A rifle chambered for the 14mm Russian Heavy Machine gun cartridge, however gets treated as a destructive device.
Of course, none of it makes any sense in a country whose chartering document states that the government is specifically prohibited from making such "laws" and regulations.
Once you get over .500" bore size in a pistol, it doesn't matter if it has rifling or not. It's still going to be an NFA item, probably as a "destructive device".
Of course, none of it makes any sense in a country whose chartering document states that the government is specifically prohibited from making such "laws" and regulations.
I believe any pistol or rifle with over a 0.5" diameter is considered a Destructive Device, this is what happened to the 28ga Judge Taurus was looking at making. ATF classified it as a destructive device even though the barrel was rifled.
I do that with my Rem 1100 akita stock. I tried taking the stock off my pistol grip Winchester SXP and doing the same thing. I dropped it on the 3rd shot.
This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
Related Threads
?
?
?
?
?
Survivalist Forum
11.6M posts
167.1K members
Since 2007
A forum community dedicated to survivalists and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about collections, gear, DIY projects, hobbies, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more!