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Got the itch for a AK 47. It would be my first and interested in any input of the three that I have found locally.
1. WASR 10/63
2. N PAP
3. Saiga IZ 132
All are used an in the $600 range. I went through this phase a few years back and ended up picking up a 74, which I love to shoot. Recently wanted to pick up a 47 to add to the clan. Again, I am not an expert in the AK, and all help and opinions would be appreciated.
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i like converted saigas, and paps are good as well just not "standard" meaning you will need different stocks, forearms, and accessories because they are slightly different and a bit heavier too

so, id go for the saiga, convert it to an AK later
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Hey fellow SB members,
Got the itch for a AK 47. It would be my first and interested in any input of the three that I have found locally.
1. WASR 10/63
2. N PAP
3. Saiga IZ 132
All are used an in the $600 range. I went through this phase a few years back and ended up picking up a 74, which I love to shoot. Recently wanted to pick up a 47 to add to the clan. Again, I am not an expert in the AK, and all help and opinions would be appreciated.
$600 is too much for a used WASR and NPAP, you can buy a brand new NPAP for $600

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/com....html?Itemid=0

New WASR for $636 w/free shipping

http://www.centerfireguns.com/centur...m-ri1826n.html

Out of the three listed the saiga will be better built but in its current configuration its an AK hunting rifle, you'll have to spend more money to have it converted...
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I've got all 3. All are solid.

Beware of old WASRs with the 10 round capacities which were converted. Some aren't good. The older stocks are ugly too. Good workhorse guns.

NPAPs are solid and heavy but proprietary stocks with little aftermarket replacements.

Saigas need converting but are high quality.

Good platform. Probably can't go wrong with any, but the price for used might be $100 too high.
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If the ban on Russian imports continue, the Saiga perhaps has to best upside potential. I have a converted Saiga and it's the best of my half dozen AKs that I own. If the saiga is unconverted, if you want to convert it then you will need to factor in this cost.
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Thanks for all of the replies. I know that the saiga would need to be converted, but it seems to be in a bit of rough shape for the price. As Ak mentioned I may have to do a little looking around for a new one. There are a few arsenels on the listings and a Madi, but I am not so sure I am ready to throw that much cash at one. May have to wait it out for prices to drop or I run across something I can't live with out
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I'm no expert by any means on AKs. I have a Zastava PAP M70 that I've not shot much. It's OK but I want/ plan at some point to get rid of it and I really like the looks and quality of the IO Inc rifles out of NC. Here's a link and I saw this model on gunbroker for $599 So models right around that $600 price point. Might be a couple models less and I believe several models much more. but no where as costly as an Arsenal rifle.
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Vepr's in x39 can be found for $700-$715. Albeit not converted but a fine AKM. No way I'd pay $700 plus for a WASR or NPAP. WASR's can be found for around $625 at grabagun and gunsamerica. Gunwatcher is pretty good at listing prices for ak's or any firearm from low to high price. Stay away from the IO's as Folks that are well respected in the AK realm have torture tested them and they've had a tough go .

http://gunwatcher.com/Search-best-price/wasr-for-sale
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In my opinion, the N-PAP is not very sturdy and a cheap gun. A few years ago I was at Fleet Farm and checked out both the N-PAP and O-PAP and the difference was striking when seeing them side by side. I bought the O-PAP and, unfortunately, sold it when I was in need of some quick cash.

If you can find a new one buy the O-PAP.

I could be wrong about the present day rifles, but WASR to me stands for "What A Shitty Rifle." The ones out there today might be fine, but I still have my old prejudices against them. I guess I'm just an anti-WASR bigot!

The SAIGAs are good rifles, but they don't take standard AK hi-cap mags. The last time I looked quite awhile ago the SAIGA hi-cap mags cost an arm and a leg compared to the standard mil-surp AK mags.
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with you on not being crazy about NPAP's made the past year or 2. Seems QC and build quality have dipped a bit. OPAP is a sturdy beast but they are like hen's teeth and lots of dollars. WASR s are just fine for $600-625. Saiga's , I don't know where any one is finding them new (sporters or converted).

J & G Sales just listed a bunch of N and O PAPs this AM. The prices are way too high for me to consider but OP has lots to choose from. I still think we will see further downward movement in AK pricing but it may take 3-6 more months to see it.
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with you on not being crazy about NPAP's made the past year or 2. Seems QC and build quality have dipped a bit. OPAP is a sturdy beast but they are like hen's teeth and lots of dollars. WASR s are just fine for $600-625. Saiga's , I don't know where any one is finding them new (sporters or converted).

J & G Sales just listed a bunch of N and O PAPs this AM. The prices are way too high for me to consider but OP has lots to choose from. I still think we will see further downward movement in AK pricing but it may take 3-6 more months to see it.
$800 is way out of line even for a nice O-PAP. If they drop to around $650 I would consider one. The one that I bought a few years ago cost me around $570. I should never have sold it.
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with you on not being crazy about NPAP's made the past year or 2. Seems QC and build quality have dipped a bit. OPAP is a sturdy beast but they are like hen's teeth and lots of dollars. WASR s are just fine for $600-625. Saiga's , I don't know where any one is finding them new (sporters or converted).

J & G Sales just listed a bunch of N and O PAPs this AM. The prices are way too high for me to consider but OP has lots to choose from. I still think we will see further downward movement in AK pricing but it may take 3-6 more months to see it.
The saiga I found used in a LGS, and there is one on local arms list, which is converted, comes with extras, but at 2 k way out of budget
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Unless you MUST have one right now, I'd hold off on an AK purchase for 6 months.

Inventories are likely high on the election buildup, and laws likely going to change to make it a buyer's market. Several laws like import laws, maybe even NFA stuff, may be repealed any day now. We might see a flood of great stuff in the very near term...

In the meantime, watch for deals. I just bought a very good condition Mac 90 (one of the best designs/builds) for under $500 from my LGS. Another $70 in parts to get rid of the Clintonhole stock, and it's a fantastic rifle.

So look for the Mac90s if you're shopping.
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In the meantime, watch for deals. I just bought a very good condition Mac 90 (one of the best designs/builds) for under $500 from my LGS. Another $70 in parts to get rid of the Clintonhole stock, and it's a fantastic rifle.

So look for the Mac90s if you're shopping.
You stole this one. The Mak90 is a Type 56 with a thumbhole stock and the bayonet lug ground off to pass import laws at the time. They are a top of the heap AK easily worth $800 if it's in good shape. Nice catch.
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If the ban on Russian imports continue, the Saiga perhaps has to best upside potential. I have a converted Saiga and it's the best of my half dozen AKs that I own. If the saiga is unconverted, if you want to convert it then you will need to factor in this cost.
I wonder if Trump will get around to lifting that ban. That would be great! I've always wanted a "new" Russian made AK..
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saiga hands down is the best....A rear end conversion is easy to do with normal tools that most people have.
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Hey fellow SB members,
Got the itch for a AK 47. It would be my first and interested in any input of the three that I have found locally.
1. WASR 10/63
2. N PAP
3. Saiga IZ 132
All are used an in the $600 range. I went through this phase a few years back and ended up picking up a 74, which I love to shoot. Recently wanted to pick up a 47 to add to the clan. Again, I am not an expert in the AK, and all help and opinions would be appreciated.
--> 4) Mint SKS and $150/$200 worth of ammo and stripper clips.
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I'd go with the Wasr. It's ready to go out of the box and uses all standard combloc parts and accessories (Bayonets, muzzle brakes, optics mounts, furniture, etc.).
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I'd go with the Wasr. It's ready to go out of the box and uses all standard combloc parts and accessories (Bayonets, muzzle brakes, optics mounts, furniture, etc.).
+1, can't go wrong with the WASR for around $600-625. Their build quality has improved over the past few years for sure. They no longer come with the crappy furniture I got on my first WASR years ago.
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