I’ve seen a rather high number of posts about that liberals basically can’t be survivalists and some posts that they aren’t welcome. I think it would be interesting to see a poll about what people in general think about this subject. So do you think that liberals can be survivalists?
I wonder if things get soooo bad and the SHTF will any ask or care if the other is a democrat or republican? As long as the person or group can pull his weight and/ or can contribute to the cause.
There are lots of liberal survivalists but thier reasons tend to be less politcal and more environment or economic. Peak oil, global warming, bee colony collapse, deforestation,etc. We have loads of problems that go far beyond just the narrow minded second amendment issue.
Any one can clame the name survivalist .
We even have raider and canabal mentalities here as well.
I would suppose that in the boadest term any one alive is a survivalist even an infant .
The levels of survivalism, so to speak , are broad and wide, So to make some spicific definition it would have to be accepted as a personal perspective and not a blanket definition.
The government has determined that any one with stored food ammo and a few fingers missing IS in fact a terrorist , They have to be, because they said so, isn't that the facts ??? that's typical liberal thinking . If the government says it's OK then it's OK.
That just about covers every farmer and carpenter in america. See how that works?
The government has the right to kill with out due process, but we do not have the right to defend our selves against a currupt government or their buddies on the sreet (thugs). You defend those that support you .Lawyers defend criminals. that's their bead and butter.
Liberals support this kind of govenment ,and call them selves survivalist, are wolves in sheeps clothing, far as I am concerned. I have no need to support nor defend those of an imoral behavior ,those are the ones that helped create the problem to begin with.
It's my opinion alone .
My definition of a survivalist .
1.Takes responsibility for one's own security.
2.Is NOt on the government dole.
3. Believes to be responsible for the truth, and not deliberately misleading in conversation.
4. Though many are some what self sufficient they are not "selfish" .
5.Having warned the world around them to prep, not obligated to share, jepordizing those in their trust.
6. Make no planns to take from some one else ,nor defy the security of others at any time.
7. Willing to work for or trade for barter. Business. Commerice .
8. Using armed force is a last resort as required .
9. When the government obeys the constitution and the states obey the constitution and criminals go to jail/exicution, then needing to worry about the government taking away rights ,would be a thing of the past , no one would need to have an AK .
10. but as long as the criminals and comunists in government are proceeding with their agenda, the citizens will arm them selves afraid of the government and one another.
I think most liberals will depend on uncle sam to take care of them, and these will be the ones getting moved into the FEMA camps.
Once in there, they may find themselves being victimized by all the other have nots, and this will likely lead to riots in these camps.
I'll be home. Screw those camps, those camps are for the ones that can't take care of themselves and they will get every bit of what they deserve for sticking us in this situation in the first place.
Oh I won’t go far right but the left lost me for sure. It was a very long time in coming. I have several good reasons.
1) Every word of anti-Jewish or anti-Israel comments directed at me came from liberals. Except when I found this place then I found lunatics but thats another story........The Thanksgiving following 9/11 I was at a friend’s house for the holiday. A gay man openly blamed the Jews for 9/11. I told him he didn’t know who his friends are. Israel is the only country in the Mideast that doesn’t harm their gay population and even hosted the gay games. He was unmoved. That’s only one example and I could cite at least 10.
2) I also think the social policies keep poor people poor by removing incentives even if I believe in universal healthcare and I think the rich should pay more tax. 2nd and 3rd generation welfare families point to a failure.
3) Political correctness......I lived in the most liberal area in the Midwest maybe in the country. It is a form of thought police and speech control. I know it, I lived it and I hated it. I could go on..........
4) Diversity, they are sure they guard it. In truth they do not. Not unlike the far right they detest differing opinions. I have been confronted and called names for expounding centrist opinions or voicing acceptance of dissenting opinions. At a party I was in a discussion on the book of Job. The discussion was on Job's dealings with suffering. At this time we were confronted by people and chastised for discussing the bible. I asked the men if they ever read the bible? I was told they didn’t have to they know about people who read it. I told them that we were in a discussion on our own and it was they who sought us out and we should be left alone. Guard diversity, no liberals do not guard diversity. We have become a nation that would rather fight the other person knowing nothing about them.
People out of selfness charity. have decided to act in the benifit of the community.
They allowed the government to take control and co ordinate a large cohesive effort. Police military emergency service all worked together to get the job done.
That may be the way it works there but not here. We had a bad flood two years ago upstate NY. The govt sent the national guard and fema in. They stood around and played politics. The people that they sent in to help clean up arrived a week and a half later and did very little. The community is a mix of liberals and conservatives most of the work however was done was by the local farmers, general contractors and construction crews which around here are conservatives. They gave lots of time and supplies to help people rebuild. The liberal enviro's assisting fema were there making up all sorts of stupid rules making it very hard to do anything. Its been two years we still have roads washed out and county buildings still unfit to occupy aside from homes that havnt even started to rebuild because of red tape. A private person or company cant do work on any state or county road, building or land without approval even if theyll do the work for.free. Since it was a declared a disaster area its up to fema even with private homes. The biggest problem is the enviromentalists and there all liberals.
I'm a proud capital "D" Democrat and proud liberal. I'm also a survivalist, prepper, Mt. Climber, long duration expedition backpacker and wilderness survival expert. So yes. The very question is bigoted,offensive, and just stupid.
I'm a conservative and as a result hang around mostly with conservatives. To my knowledge my wife and I are the only survivalist/preppers I know. Whenever we speak of preparing for any kind of disaster we get strange looks from freinds and family. Most all the people I know had parents and grandparents who lived through or shortly after the great depression. Both conservative and liberal friends don't believe (They) will let that happen again. We have gotten to the point of not speaking of it to them. Hopefully they don't show up on my door step when things go bad.
Anything that voted for Obama or the rest of the "progressive commie left" that has been working fervently at destroying this country for the last 100 years is not welcome.
Trespassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again.
No 'hoarding' food (because 'excess food should be redistributed to the masses').
That they're hysterically hoplophobic and that they don't own a single weapon and aren't skilled in their use.
Won't/can't hunt because that's how Bambii's mom died. Also see the second item down.
No 'profiling' those likely to harm them. They'd ignore their gut feeling that something's wrong in an attempt to be politically correct.
Has a general 'just live for today, tomorrow will take care of itself' attitude.
They might be okay at the granola eating side of backpacking, hiking and camping. However as an actual survivalist if they run true to what they claim they believe in they're severely handicapped from the outset.
jesus christ was a liberal jew and looked what happened to him. that's if you believe in the jesus myth and all that other goofy stuff in those bronze age books.
Of course liberals can be into survival and preparedness! The desire and means to live prepared and secure is not relegated to any one party, creed, ethnicity, sexual preference.
With regard to the two party system... both parties are two different sides of the same coin. Read the following quote from Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley:
The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.
With regard to the two party system... both parties are two different sides of the same coin. Read the following quote from Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley:
The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.
"progressive" way to say, be like us otherwise you have no say.
Enjoy our socialist dictatorship, ... or else!
Quite frankley, I don't think they can hack it. Independence, Liberty, and self reliance is overshadowed by uncle sugar and the herd, unless a member of the herd disagrees with them or is "scary".
Personally, if SHTF (it isn't but if it did...) I'm using them for target practice. First hipster I see wander across the property I'm checking my rifle for accuracy on. The pigs gotta eat too.
These are the same sorts of morons that put Stalin, Mao Zedong, and all believers in Marx's bullshet into power. Who later slaughtered hundreds of millions who "didn't agree with them".
ETA: Carroll Quigley's writings were littered with belief that a "power elite" should control mankind's destiny, values, and future. If one was looking for an new world order, fascist shill, this guy was it.
Some liberals might get by. Libs have a way of being complete hypocrits. Vote for anti-gun politicans yet claim to be pro-gun. Same with prepping and survival. Libs talk about gun-nuts and para-military types yet prep in thier basements. Look at the giffords.
There's not question they can. They are human beings just like you and I. Their political leanings and their deeper philosophical beliefs, however, tend to make them very unlikely to value preparation. They are almost universally statists and collectivists. As such, they tend to rely on the state and the collective for their survival. They will continue to do so until they are forced to do otherwise.
Don't get me started on politics here in my own country. But, there's one thing that I've noticed that seems to hold true the world over. No matter if you see yourself on the right or the left, the further you lean to either side the closer those sides move towards each in philosophy than they care to admit. Take for example ultra-left-wing communists, and the ultra-right-wing fascists of the WWII-era. Neither one of them wanted to admit that their views were separated in name alone. Both sides called themselves socialists, and both sides jailed those that disagreed with the views of the ruling parties, from the gulags of the communists to the concentration camps of the fascists. My father, (a very stubborn survivor of Buchenwald who remained in Germany after the war) pointed this out to me when I was a boy. He also believed that most people wherever you go tend to be fairly middle of the road, just slightly to the left or right of centre. The average person has some of their views both right and left. My wife (who was born and raised in the American South) was just reading this over my shoulder has just informed me that a liberal is a conservative that hasn't been mugged yet, and conversely, a conservative is a liberal that hasn't been arrested and/or jailed on weak or false charges. So, yes I believe a liberal can be a survivalist/prepper if they have ever studied history.
Conservatives can't adapt to change. They can't even cope with changes in society now. Still living tea party dreams of a society that ended a hundred years ago. How will they cope with a change of society that could happen in days.
Liberals force change at every turn. are ready for it and welcome it.
That highly depends on your definition of "change." Conservatives do not want what they see as the literal structure of society being changed to turn America into a European-style social democracy. It doesn't mean however that they do not like change. They like liberal democracy ("liberal" as in for classically-liberal values, not the modern American definition of the word that means something akin to what in other countries is called "socialist" and "labour" party) which entails constant changing of the guard in the government and they like market capitalism.
Of course liberals can be preppers... Odd question to ask. That being said, I'm a social liberal leaning independent.
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